Street Preacher Larry Craft Vs. Lesbian Pastor…

Date: September 22, 2008

The owner of this channel, has decided to make these videos private…thereby depriving you of the ability to watch them.

…Part One…

…Part 2…

…Part 3…

Here is the description, the channel owner had given with this video, when I wrote my response to it.

DESCRIPTION:
“Street Preacher Larry Craft goes toe to toe with a lesbian pastor of a sodomite church. She thinks the Bible is not divine and that God is going to accept all sodomites into heaven. Larry Craft takes a stand on Gods Word and shows her to be an imposter and not a Christian.”

You know…I am endlessly amazed, at all the flavors of ideology which sprout from the vague and uncertain caricature of “jesus christ”.

Here we have a biblical character, who if you study many earlier religions predating christianity, you will recognize nearly every single trait about “him”, in many different earlier “gods”…who had nothing to do with christianity. The idea that “jesus christ” is not a composite character, pieced together from pre-existing religions, is laughable…It is so starkly clear, that christianity has advanced itself throughout history, by infusing itself into already existing traditions and beliefs, and placing a christian spin onto them, until nobody even knows what the origins of said traditions and beliefs even were…the masses wrongly presume that, whatever they were, “they were christian”…

So, here sets this man, who boldly presumes to “know” what “jesus christ” was, and what “jesus christ” was like…Yet, this same man can not even establish that “jesus christ” ever even “was” at all…

Maybe, there was a martyr for christianity, named “jesus”…and he was popularly supported as “the christ”…I don’t know, and I can not rule that possibility out…

…but, Charles Manson has also been referred to as “jesus christ”, and he had his own cult thing going on, too…

The difference, is that we “know” that Charles Manson actually exists, and has lived amongst us…

We have far greater substantiation, in bowing down and worshiping Charles Manson, on those grounds alone…Sure, he may be an evil “jesus christ”…but who are you going to honestly have the “fear of god” over…Charles, or the bible caricature?…

…and before you get morally offended, the atrocities Charles Manson is accused of inciting, pale in comparison to the extent of unspeakable atrocities the biblical god claims responsibility for…

Charles Manson is clearly, far less cruel and inhumane…

…well…that is all presuming that one believed that the bible god even existed…

…but, I digress…

Cracking open a bible, while pointing and shaking your finger at people as you condemn them…that is the path of the ignorant and the blind. What we know as “the bible” is so fallible, that it is ridiculous…If you base your life, mindset and judgment on the bible, then you can expect a life of fallibility and ridiculousness.

Sure, fine…glean what nuggets of wisdom you can from the bible, if you please…but don’t be fooled into believing, that just because a handful of rational, kind and popular sentiments have been expressed somewhere within the pages of the bible, this somehow “excuses” the girth of total insanity, contained within those same pages…

Just because a few level headed things made it in, does not make the entire collection of writings, “sound”….or “level headed”…

Grabbed by the Bag?: A Response to the Father of JimF3…

Date: September 9, 2008

In 2008, the then former webmaster of BoyChat Jim Finn the 3rd [JimF3 – He lived as an out BoyLover for years] was arrested in a fishy ambush, charged with downloading “child pornography”, convicted and sentenced to prison. This came months after Jim played a crucial role in helping Free Spirits and BoyChat, thwart the aggressive onslaught of Perverted Justice, and remain online. The “investigation” was result of allegations made by Perverted Justice [who claimed responsibility]. Many of us believe, Jim was framed and railroaded through the court system, on account of his past positions within Free Spirits and BoyChat.

Anyway…Within months of Jim’s arrest, someone claiming to be his father [Jim Finn the 2nd] appeared briefly on BoyChat, and posted the short message below to all of us. What follows this, is my response to him.

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“Just to let you know that one of your own, jim finn 111 has been sent to jail for 8 years for his computer downloading. As his Father I could not be more disapointed. During the sentencing it was brought out than many of the young boys were tied up and being raped. I thought your site and life style was about love > Or do you consider rape love ?” – jpfinn7

Grabbed by the Bag?…

Hello, Sir…

I once held Jim in very high esteem…

…I don’t consider him, “one of my own”, however…maybe at one point in time, yes…but, that was years ago…

He drew his line…and let the rest of us know, who amongst us were “sub human pieces of trash”, belonging on the other side of that line…

Jim was a paradox, in that he was so vital to BoyChats history…yet he turned into the most abusive, hate filled and vicious, legitimate community member I have ever witnessed on BoyChat. Watching this change, was possibly the single most sickening, disheartening and sobering thing “I” have ever seen here…

It really was the fall, of someone who I considered a modern day hero of sorts…but worse, because it was also a betrayal of so many good, decent people here…who never deserved “that” type of treatment…

It was painful to watch this unfold, and realise what it all meant…

I did not know Jim well [though I was at one time given the impression that there was mutual respect]…and for years, I’ve wanted nothing at all to do with him…As would follow, I don’t know what he enjoyed spending his time doing with his computer…

Personally, I have yet to be solicited by anyone at all, here at BoyChat or elsewhere, with the prospect of seeing young (little?) boys being tied up and raped…literally, figuratively or legally such…

While I can not say that sex starved people will never be enticed to look at all manner of forbidden fruit, I think I can safely vouch for the fact that BoyChat and its core members do not act as a clearing house, for portraits of young boys being tied up and raped.

Literally tying up and raping anyone, is a serious and alarming act of inhumanity.

“That” act is frowned upon and condemned…even “here”…

You know what, though?…

…After being called all manner of hateful things…After a lifetime of being told “that” is what “I” am…After the endless years of personal conflict, and needing to know the truth for myself…

…I could never fault anyone who also walks in these shoes, for needing to see for themselves…

…What would be “my” reactions…if “I” had all the violent, child rape pictures and videos available, at my own personal disposal?…

Would it shock, horrify and disgust me?…or would I involuntarily be swept away, with a sense of arousal entirely out of my control?…

It is a little talked about thing…that amongst other sexual classes…fantasies of violent rape are common…and “they” get to be considered “normal”…and even “healthy”…Nobody is there to decry, demonise or “medicate” the so called “ticking time bomb”…

…but, when the same “normal” and “healthy” thing is applied to a stigmatised sexual orientation…”that is just unthinkable”…”what a monster”…

I think, like many people…you are failing to see and understand the larger complexities of human sexuality…

Let us not lose sight of the fact, that what is truthfully important here…is not whether or not Jim did keep and look at pictures of young boys being tied up and raped…but whether or not Jim was going out, tying up and raping young boys…

I will never condemn anyone who has had in their possession video, or pictorial, documentation of a sexual act involving a legal “child”…

…not even if I condemn that actual act documented.

…I simply will not…To do so, is to give support to the concept of “thought crime”…It is to play into the stigma and stereotype…

I will not support stigmas and stereotypes…I will not pander to lies…

I also will not be forced into answering, for the alleged sexual tastes of another human being…Whatever was found on Jim’s computer, is not the fault of people who have called BoyChat their online home, over the years…and throwing it into “our” collective lap, is simply not right.

If you are looking to be angry with people…as though you want to find someone who led your boy astray…someone you can easily point at, blame and explain it all away…you are looking in the wrong direction…

I don’t know what I feel about Jim’s predicament, beyond that I am always disgusted to see people locked up over what amounts to a thought crime (keeping videos or pictures, is generally accepted as a practice to evoke future thoughts and feelings)…but I know for absolute certainty, that “I” have nothing at all to do with him being there…

Unless you know and are willing to share something concrete that I do not know about this situation, then I would have to say that most (if not all) of us who have participated here over the years, also have nothing to do with it…

For all I know…after seeing his web hosting company brought down, Jim may have just said to himself, “screw it all”…threw caution to the wind, mentally snapped…maybe even had a nervous breakdown, and decide he was going to have fun exploring the sights and sensations, before they came to take him away…

When it is a no win situation, and everything has been done to make ones life as unlivable as is possible…I fail to see how it is that so many of you “normal” people, can’t conceive of just how that effects the mental stability of people like “us”…

If nothing else…ponder these thoughts seriously, please…

To answer more directly…No, I do not consider tying up a person and raping them, to be love…I don’t consider viewing such a thing to be hate, either…I also reject the absurd and obscenely broad legal definitions of the term “rape”…because much of it simply is not rape…and the same stands for “abuse”…

“We” did not lock the door on your son…Your real battle, is with the system and moral extremists.

Steve…

Is Child Love a Fetish? (Narrated)…

….	Date: September 4, 2008 This selection from “In Self Defense: The Life and Times of An Atheist BoyLover…Memoirs and Ethos”, has been narrated by Rocco White. Please enjoy the listen, or read along if you like…or need to. * * fet·ish –noun 1. an object regarded with awe as being the embodiment or habitation of a potent spirit or as having magical potency. 2. any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades. 3. Psychology. any object or non genital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. American Heritage Dictionary… An object that is believed to have magical or spiritual powers, especially such an object associated with animistic or shamanistic religious practices. An object of unreasonably excessive attention or reverence: made a fetish of punctuality. Something, such as a material object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification. An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation. Online Etymology Dictionary… “In certain perversions of the sexual instinct, the person, part of the body, or particular object belonging to the person by whom the impulse is excited, is called the fetish of the patient.” [E. Morselli in “Baldwin Dictionary of Philosophy,” 1901] WordNet… noun 1. a form of sexual desire in which gratification depends to an abnormal degree on some object or item of clothing or part of the body; “common male fetishes are breasts, legs, hair, shoes, and underwear” 2. a charm superstitiously believed to embody magical powers [syn: juju] 3. excessive or irrational devotion to some activity; “made a fetish of cleanliness” fetish noun something which is regarded with too much reverence or given too much attention Example: It is good to dress well, but there is no need to make a fetish of it. a “fetish” is any object that arouses excessive devotion American Heritage Stedman’s Medical Dictionary… Something, such as an object or a nonsexual part of the body, that arouses sexual desire and may become necessary for sexual gratification. An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment. Merriam-Webster’s Medical Dictionary… an object or bodily part whose real or fantasized presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression. The question posed before us…”Is pedophilia, or child love, a fetish?”… “Fetish” has always seemed to me, to be subjective and biased…It is an opinion, after all…and by it’s very nature, it can be nothing more than an opinion, because there is nothing concrete which separates that aspect of you, from your sexual orientation. What “is” a sexual orientation? A sexual orientation, very simply, is what you are sexually oriented towards. It is concerned with what sexually arouses you, and makes you most excited and enthusiastic to participate in sexual activity. It is what and who you crave… If pedophilia were a fetish…then how could we justify calling heterosexuality, or homosexuality, a “legitimate” sexual orientation, instead of likening them also, to the term “fetish”? If you are a man, and all you like to have sex with is women…then, don’t you have a “woman fetish”?…Does not the same principle hold true for people who like those of their same sex?… Many people would call this absurd…and I agree, it is absurd to take people’s sexual orientation, and dismiss it as something “diminished”…”inferior”…”a psychological quirk”…instead of just accepting it for what it “is”…”their own” sexual orientation… Does it make any sense at all, to call child love a fetish?… That really all depends on how you understand the usage of the word, “fetish”…and let me clarify by stating the following… “Fetish” is to sexual orientation, as “cult” is to religion…Meaning, you are typically talking about the same general species of activity, and it is every bit as genuine and powerful to the primary participants…but it all gets subjectively categorized, based upon estimations of how widely practiced and embraced “that” certain activity is. If one understands “fetish” in this sense, then everything except the very most commonly practiced sex acts in a culture, is likely to be referred to as a “fetish”, at one point in time or another. Anything, except the most culturally celebrated forms of sex, can have “full status” legitimacy withheld, or at least the perception of such, when a culture refuses to place it’s “stamp of approval” onto it, recognizing and respecting it as “every bit as valid” as other similar activities. …and in “that” sense, child love is a fetish… …but it is a subjective, opinionated status forced onto child love…	….

Child Liberation 2: Property Rights…

Date: September 04, 2008

01) Child Liberation 2: Property Rights

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“Who owns a child?”

The Second American Revolution?…

Date: September 4, 2008

01) The Second American Revolution

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Most founding documents of the U.S. have nothing to do with “god” in any form, or any other mystical creature.

“Their creator” is a vague term, not specifying any “being” or “intelligence”…The process of evolution could be called, “your creator”…and atheism has a valuable and honored place in the roots and history of the U.S.

No need to isolate here. American atheists suffer bad politics, alongside everyone else. Many of us are fed up with it, also…more than your average person.

I also have to add, your claim that the supreme court has “thrown god out of public life”, smacks of gross exaggeration.

It reminds me of how the U.S. supreme court ruled that public schools could no longer force participation, in daily school prayers…nor could public schools punish or discriminate against students who declined to participate…and some christain groups just flew off the handle, spinning this situation with propaganda so bad, that what they tell you does not even resemble the truth of what factually happened…Consequentially, most christians seem incompetently unaware of the fact, that prayer, bible study and other religious activities are legally allowed by law at public schools…The important distinction is that nobody can be forced to participate in them.

For making this distinction (the only legally sound one they could have arrived at), the U.S. supreme court is claimed to be “throwing god out of public life”…

There is a world of difference between trying to blot out a religious character, and religious practice…and acting to protect the rights of those, who do not subscribe to certain religious viewpoints.

The U.S. supreme court has not attempted the former…but they have strived to accomplish the latter.

Thanks to the U.S. supreme court, your local church does not own your public school kids, nor have the authority to impose indoctrination onto them, as a hostage audience.

This is a good thing…

Is Atheism a Religion? (Narrated)…

….	Date: September 3, 2008 This selection from “In Self Defense: The Life and Times of An Atheist BoyLover…Memoirs and Ethos”, has been narrated by Rocco White. Please enjoy the listen, or read along if you like…or need to. * * “you dumbass religion is defined as a set of beliefs concerning the the cause and purpose of the universe any sort of beliefs is a religion you idiot so atheism is a religion how about you look a word up before you start talking out your ass” Is atheism a religion? Atheism is concerned with the question of whether or not there exists a mystical creature, which one might be inclined to call a “god”…as well as questions, concerning the integrity of theism. There is no fixed “set” of beliefs, which cover all other aspects of life. You do not subscribe to any oaths, or submit to any commitments, when you become an atheist. You only admit that “you” truthfully can not justify a belief in mystical creatures. Atheism is not, nor has it ever been, a religion. Religions typically exist to recruit and collect people, in order to propagate the religion itself. Atheism does not exist “for” the purpose of propagating itself. Religions typically threaten nonbelievers with terrifying, though unsubstantiated, consequences for disbelief, and nonconformity to the religion. Atheism does not do this…Atheism is a liberation of the mind, allowing us to explore and arrive at intelligent and educated conclusions, over issues which are otherwise taboo and intimidating, when overshadowed by dogma. Atheism could never be a religion, as it is too limited…and it is merely a conclusive stance, regarding one question…”is there a god?” The answer is a negative…and disbelief is not something which religions (an article of faith) are based upon…Indeed, disbelief is the antithesis of religion… No…Of course atheism is not religion…You would have to turn the whole idea of religion up side down, and on it’s own head, in order to twist it into compatibility with atheism.	….