BBC Interview on Female Pedophiles…

….	Date: September 15, 2009 A) Why does everyone, who has ever experienced anything which gets called “sexual abuse”, get referred to with the label “survivor”? So much of what gets snared up, into the convoluted realm of “sex abuse”, is not even threatening to one’s own survival. Honestly… I am not a “survivor”, of the day some other person grabbed my penis, and refused to let go of it, years and years ago. That incident, did not threaten my life, nor my mental stability. At worst, I was angry at this person, for a couple of days…and then moved on. To evoke the word “survivor”, cheapens the whole concept of “survival”, to a staggeringly incompetent degree… …because, “survival”, implies that “there is an existing threat, to your ability to survive”. Now, of course, there are some circumstances of real sexual assault, which likely would threaten a person, in just such a way… …but, clearly, that does not extend to everybody, who has ever been grouped into the “sex abuse” category. …Which, again, leaves me to ask the question… Why is everyone called a “survivor”? …That is just not honest. …It is propaganda. B) Emotional Satisfaction With Other Adults… Is it that we “cannot” get what we need, out of relationships with other adults… …or, is it that we are not naturally inclined to seek such things, from other adults? Maybe, we cannot get it from other adults, because other adults cannot present to us, what we naturally need? It often astonishes me…how people are so ready, to assign stereotypical meanings to this, without looking deeper, paying attention to the real life factors…and allowing the truth, to just come out. Why cant this just naturally be, how it is? …Why all this flighty psychological dissection? We do not question a homosexual, for being homosexual, so much anymore…We just accept, that is natural for him/her. …Why is it so impossibly difficult, to understand that the same holds true, for “pedophiles”? A fellow adult, could never provide for a “pedophile”, entirely what they need…for the simple fact, that that fellow adult, is neither a child, nor a teen…and no longer possesses so much of what the Child-Lover, and Teen-Lover, naturally needs. You do not go to the barber shop, when you need a gallon of milk… You do not go to the desert, to pick daisies… At times I just want to shake people and scream, “GET OVER YOURSELVES!”… …As an adult, “you” are not the pinnacle, of all sexual fantasies, attractions and experiences, to all people. “You” are not, the default, first choice, which everyone secretly wants to jump into the sack with. Not everyone, is sexually attracted to adults. …and that is the way nature works! Why are so many of you, out there…so insecure, that you feel, we “pedophiles” must be, and behave, just exactly like “you”? There is an old joke… “Alcohol exists, because fat women need love, too.” I would suggest, what to me is the obvious parallel… “Pedophiles” exist…because pedos (children) need love [philia], too. We do serve a natural purpose…and it does serve, in the over all survival and well being, of the human species. C) “Impossible truth”?… This is the problem… There is a psychological block…a psychosis, even, which has been intentionally constructed and imposed…and that stops so much of the public, from being able to see this issue through honest eyes, listen to it through honest ears…and acknowledge it for what it honestly is. The masses have been told, that something is “impossible”…so many times, and for such a long time…and by people, who are hysterical about pushing this, anti-sex, anti-human agenda, and message. How many people are left, who think for themselves anymore?…How many are brave enough, to see through the lies?… How many have the guts, to challenge those lies? D) “Sexualization”, is a false concept…and it leads to false arguments, and false presumptions. Factually, we are born sexual beings. Nobody has to be “sexualized”. E) “Age appropriate”, is a modern day social construction…and, nowhere in the natural history of the human species, has sexual interest, or sexual activity, between children and adults, been established to be either outside of our human nature, or a threat to the human individual [or species]. Pedophilia, is every bit as natural as any other sexual orientation… …it’s just that, it happens to be oriented towards children. F) “Distortions”… …Of all the people to be talking about that, in a purported “authoritative” manner…these media celebrities, and people who are part of the sex abuse industry, have no validity, what-so-ever. “Distortion”, is the very name of their own game, here. You’d be hard pressed, to get an honest answer out of them, just because of their total contempt, and refusal to accept the real life experiences of other people, as being anything other than “delusion”. In fact, the problem here, is that they take free license, in devaluing and dismissing the lives and experiences of sexual minorities…and, often, they build a profitable career around it, while exploiting social panic. True distortion, can be found in their own books, trying to push and foster, sex-phobia, and panic over “pedophiles”. True distortion, exists in the research they like to conduct, and promote. True distortion, is on display, in this very interview, being linked here. G) “Gaining access to children, through carring professions”. Often times, this is merely an extension, of the “pedophiles” natural character. They are nurturing and caring people, and find themselves most in their element, by working in such a profession. It gets extremely tiresome, hearing people constantly suggest, that a “pedophile” pursued a certain profession, because he/she wanted access to children [and for no other reason, than that]. H) No…All pedophiles, are not “bad”…Thank you, very much… That is bold faced propaganda, and raw hate speech. I) I think the suggestion, that as a culture we sometimes identify more, with certain kinds of “sex abuse”, in order to try and understand them…this may have some merit… …especially in light, of the fact that the modern day, sex abuse industry, is largely pushed forward by an aggressive, often vicious, feminist agenda…It is skewed towards the female perspective, and the whole “damaged by sex” complex, which females so typically adhere too [which, in my opinion, is more rooted in their own lack of discovering sexual fulfillment, and the beauty of sex, for themselves]. In this kind of social atmosphere, males are the political alien…and this is why we are treated so ruthlessly, by the “justice” system…Where as, women…Well…their sexuality, is put forward, as the “desired” model of human sexuality. …and, besides… …At the end of the day, every sane person sees through the lies of sexual superstition, even if they are not willing to say so… We males all knew, by the age of twelve or thirteen…that “nailing a hot teacher”, would have been a fantasy come true [for a lot of us, anyway]…and not traumatic, in any way, what-so-ever. These “coming of age” experiences, used to be acknowledged as a part of nature. Today, they are a target of sexual superstition. J) An appeal, to come forward and talk to the therapists, and legal experts… Yeah… …Of course, they’d never want anyone out there, who was not being fed through the machine, now would they? Every new body, is an additional statistic number, after all… …Which they can use, however they please… …Yup…	….

In response to Catherine Willikers…

Date: September 09, 2009

Note: What follows is first a response left on the Uncommon Sense blog, and then a response I wrote to it. I believe this was intended for submission to the Uncommon Sense E-Zine, which never got released. I offer it here, now.

…Also note, that I am speaking of the nature of my orientation, and some of the things I am inclined towards, below…Don’t mistake this as any admission to breaking laws, please. It is no such admission…I sometimes would get really agitated, when people would employ these dehumanizing, dismissive and condescending tactics against us…Sometimes, I’d respond with brutally honest truth.

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01) Link removed, do to inaccessibility to the Newgon website.

Catherine Willikers Says:
August 30th, 2009 at 5:53 am

Outlawing the cynical exploitation of children, even throughout early to mid teenage years, from labor laws to sexual age-of-consent laws is one of the few ways that the U.S. protects humans from being used as objects by those who have not yet fully humanized themselves.

As in the case of so many other “adult” pursuits, even young people who may feel “ready for” and “knowledgeable about” sexual relationships with adults are protected, not hurt, by the laws that protect them from adults who have a more predatory outlook with regard to sexual congress.

Any adult who loves a child (even a 16-year-old “child”) romantically can only demonstrate that love by forgoing sexual consummation until the object of his or her love has matured to an age of ability to discern the intentions of others, their own intentions and needs, and physically and mentally has the power to put into action his or her own choices.

People who want to rush a sexual relationship timeline to take place during the youth of the object are highly likely, if not unanimously, people who require full control of the other person in their sexual relationships.

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[My response]

02) Link removed, do to inaccessibility to the Newgon website.

In response to Catherine Willikers’ comment, on August 30th, 2009, at the Uncommon Sense blog…

I find it most telling, how Catherine keeps referring back to the word “object”, when talking about the sexually active young.

Of course, objectification, or reducing someone to a “sexual object”, or “toy”, has become a cliché, stereotypical strawman…and I’m led to believe, that Catherine is merely falling back upon this weak, fallacious talking point, which so many anti-sexual activists have become accustomed to throwing at us, without requiring any intellectual thought to trouble themselves over.

I do wish, that the masses of protesters would stop reducing themselves down to the level of mindlessly jabbering parrots.

It is tiresome, to encounter this falsehood, yet again, when it has been dispelled so many times.

Regardless, I am also left inclined, to think that Catherine is making these judgments, based upon her own, limited experiences and exposures.

…to which I say, it is mighty sad, if all that Catherine has ever known of early life sexuality, can be summed up with the word “objectification”.

Clearly, if such is true, then she has only encountered the worst possible examples, of early life sexual experience, and has been deprived of a well rounded education, on this issue.

Now, looking closer at Catherine’s comments…

How Child/Teen Love, gets equated to “cynical exploitation of children”, is a true mystery. As this is not explained, allow me to expound, on what Child/Teen Love actually is…so as to clarify, how inappropriate such a comparison is.

As to the sexual elements, Child/Teen Love is the acceptance of a child/teen, as a sexual being, and a sexual companion, in a relationship where they hold power and control.

Instead of rehashing something I recently wrote, let me just re-post it here, as it is applicable.

“Child Love, is fundamentally different from child rape.

One of the foundational things which makes this so, is that Child Love empowers the actual child, as an influential partner in the sexual relationship (and activities).

Child rape, forces a child to endure a sex act.

Child rape cannot happen, within the context of Child Love. These two things are not compatible.

In Child Love, all participants begin from the starting point, of mutual willingness and enthusiasm to pursue these relationships.

By definition, these relationships are naturally consensual, and mutually desirable…and by extension, beneficial.”

Child/Teen Love, is neither about abuse, nor exploitation. It is about sharing something special and beautiful, with someone who you love.

We next witness Catherine claiming, that anti-sex laws exist to protect children, from “those who have not yet fully humanized themselves.”

…a statement of naked contempt, if ever there were one.

I don’t have all the answers in the world, Catherine…but, I do know, that millions of people have grown up, and lived with a sexual orientation, that has been deemed “abnormal”, to varying degrees, based upon whatever time era they were unfortunate enough to live in.

Most everything has ethical options of manifestation…and Child/Teen Love is no different.

You can talk about us, in a dehumanizing way…claim that we are “less than human”…

…but, my only crimes, are all based upon being different, in a world which hates those who are different…and my intolerance for being lied about.

I’m not so different, from the privileged fag class.

I was born…I started noticing other boys “that way”, in grammar school…I had the shock of realizing my differences, and having to hide them, feel shame…I had all the fag experiences, with suicidal tendencies and being an outcast…

You know what is so shameful?

…If today, I sucked the dick of someone my own age, someone older…or someone at least within ten years of my own age…many people would be consoling me, with empathetic understanding, and sympathy…”Oh Steve, you poor, poor faggot!”…”How dare they make a politically privileged fag, like yourself, suffer?”

Take that same tender dick sucking, and transfer it to a cute, ten year old boy, who I love and treasure…and because small minded, un-empathetic bigots say so…within the walls of some convoluted, unsupportable house of cards…this loving act inexplicably becomes “evil”.

Does this make any sense, Catherine?

“You” are the one here, who must entirely ignore and dismiss the facts, while jumping through a myriad of mental hoops…in order to “justify” the stance, of “guaranteed harm sex”.

Personally, I was just naturally born to love…and the people I am oriented towards, are prepubescent.

Many others are unable, or unwilling, to love the young like this…yet, nature does produce people like me.

My sexual ethics are the same, whether I were to be with an adult, or a child…I don’t fuck people…I make love, and give them pleasure…This, in turn, gives me great pleasure.

That is how my sexual orientation works…Does “that” make me “less” human?

Compared to so many of you out there, who are free to do as you will, and treat your own sex lives like a proverbial sewer…

…I am inclined to believe, that my sexual ethics make me more human, than most people.

I don’t want sexual violence, or sexual torture…I don’t want a sex slave, or prisoner…I don’t get off on those things.

I get off, on making boys orgasm.

Scream in horror, if you like…

…but I guarantee you…any boy lucky enough to experience this, is only screaming [and moaning] in ecstasy.

This is not traumatic…and people such as yourself, fully mischaracterize what is even going on, in these kinds of relationships.

Might I suggest, that you actually open your eyes, put your mind to work, and learn something about us, before you pass judgment?

You talk about sexuality, as though it only exists within an “adult” context…when clearly, it is a human trait, that is with us all throughout our lives. Children are very sexually inclined, and sex is not the proprietary domain of “adulthood” [which is nothing more than a legal technicality, might I add].

Please, study up on human sexual development…We have no right, to isolate children from their own sexuality…Yet, that is what “your” model of thought does…and this does more harm to children and society, than we may ever know.

Again, you take a cheap swipe at us, by implying that we, “have a more predatory outlook with regard to sexual congress.”

What makes a predator?

A predator, is something which feeds off of, and sustains itself off of another host, at the measurable detriment of that host.

Child/Teen Love, is not feeding off of children, or teens.

It is offering the option, for them to freely accept or decline, a beautiful experience…and a growth experience.

It is people like yourself, with your bigotry and hateful words, who pervert this very natural, positive phenomena, into something which it clearly is not.

I am not a predator…and in fact, I am more a child advocate, than most self professed “child advocates”…who themselves, are merely child manipulators.

Irony of ironies…those people, and the system they work through, are the biggest predator out there.

Catherine employs the, “real child lovers wait [until they are no longer children]” card.

Firstly, children learn and develop these abilities that allegedly make them “equal”, by experiencing and navigating the world around them, and the choices within it.

…Are you suggesting, that we have any right to expect people, to behave in a sexually ethical manner…after we’ve spent their entire life until now, neglecting their sexuality, and psychologically abusing them, by making them feel it is wicked, or dirty?

…or that kids are somehow, expected to emerge out of this socialized lunacy, as stable, competent, happy and healthy, sexual beings?

We saddle our children with stigma and guilt, never allowing them to break the ice, and experience what comes naturally…we force them to keep their sexual needs pent up for years [and don’t even think, of suggesting that a pubescing twelve year old boy, holding off till eighteen or later, is not absurdly guilty of this], just to magically expect them to “turn out fine”, in the long run.

What kind of mad logic is that?

I think, so many of the sexual problems we do have today, arise out of how we maltreat a child’s sexual autonomy…It is mental baggage, they carry with them for a lifetime…but, since it fits a social model, fits a social agenda, and a pedophile didn’t give it to them…then most people seem willing to turn a blind eye, towards that particular form of child abuse.

Secondly…

Child Lovers, function sexually down to the level of the child…We don’t expect them, to be an adult replacement.

Children can experience the benefits of sexual release, on their own terms…Hell, they do it all the time, on their own…and often amongst themselves.

Most of it, people like “you” will never know about…which is key, to why it will never be associated with anything traumatic.

If the child is not being harmed, then people such as yourself, should be happy enough, that a loving and gentle person, is taking an interest in giving them these beautiful experiences, and instilling within these children, healthy sexual practices, and techniques which will benefit them for the rest of their lives.

We talk about competently raising children, yet something so fundamental to life, as their own sexuality, is treated as though it were a filthy, shameful disorder, only to be spoken of in whispers and murmurs…as though it were a horror story.

…and then we wonder why they grow up, sexually [and otherwise] aggressive, and why there is so much sexual dysfunction and violence going on out there, today.

Isolating people from their own sexuality, causes any society to become violent, cold and cruel…Celebrating and allowing positive sexuality, has just the opposite effect.

This has actually been established by credible research.

Catherine, you talk about us as though we are “rush[ing] a sexual […] timeline”…when it is your fanciful notion of a “sexual timeline”, which has been the artificial alien, all along.

Your subjective, “sexual timeline”, is as un-natural and dishonest, as it gets.

When you cannot even recognize a child’s sexuality, within the context of your “timeline”, then you need to take that ill idea back to the drawing board, or just throw it out completely…because it is blind, to a whole other universe of human sexuality.

Catherine again makes an implication…and this time, it is that we have a natural obsession, which “require[s] full control of the other person in their sexual relationships.”

Catherine obviously likes to hit all the bases, when it comes to the cliché, strawman arguments. She has failed to bring anything of substance to the table, over which an informed mind might be challenged to take pause, and reconsider their own viewpoints…

This is primarily because, all the accusations she is parroting, are false…and she would know this, if she did her due diligence, and researched the matter thoroughly…Instead, she throws out these weak accusations, which she no doubt got from some propagandist group.

No, Catherine, just because people like yourself harbor some zany notion, that “any power imbalance”, dictates this can be nothing more than “absolute abuse”, does not equate to these kinds of relationships actually being abusive, in their real world expressions.

All in all, Catherine has provided us with a very hollow commentary, trying to sound professional and as though she knows what she is talking about…

…but these cheap parlor tricks don’t work, when you are dealing with people, who know this subject matter, through and through.

Nick Nack, Patty Wack…Give Your Dog a Bone?

….	Date: September 8, 2009 I really hesitate to post this, because it represents a very hard, and controversial sort of stance…and I’m not personally vested, in the liberation of the minority in question…Yet, on principle, I think they deserve both their voice, and their day. The hard question is, can you even say anything about this subject, without associating yourself, with their stigma?… I’m mostly just re-exploring, a subject matter I looked at more closely, a few years back…and putting some of my thoughts into words. While I hope this all does not seem too over the top, or shock anyone [because, you likely never expected this]…I just thought, maybe I would put this out there [and hope not to lose any friends over it]. I do think, that this issue is like any other, and can be discussed in an intelligent and respectful manner. 01) Those Who Practice Bestiality Say They’re Part of the Next Sexual Rights Movement First thought… Cody Beck was really cute, as a little kid! 🙂 Next… There is so freaking much of this article, that is quotable…or, should I just say, if I leave it out, I’m overlooking important parts? In many ways, it is almost a mirror image, of how the movement to liberate “pedophilia” [the positive human sexuality within it], has gotten portrayed, by the lesser venomous media. There is some level of non-sensational fairness, which has also rarely been seen, as relates to “pedophilia”. “During his sophomore year in high school, Cody Beck finally got fed up with hearing homophobic cracks. […] (Beck was openly bisexual), he had a confession that would blow their minds. He told them he is sexually attracted to dogs and horses.” “I just couldn’t keep it in anymore,” Beck says. “Just for the hell of it, I figured I’d throw it out there and have them make fun of me even more.” Which they did.” Being a “zoophile” in modern American society, Beck says, is “like being gay in the 1950s. You feel like you have to hide, that if you say it out loud, people will look at you like a freak.” “Now Beck believes he and other members of this minority sexual orientation, who often call themselves “zoos,” can follow the same path as the gay rights movement. Most researchers believe 2 to 8 percent of the population harbors forbidden desires toward animals, and Beck hopes this minority group can begin appealing to the open-minded for acceptance.” “But if those like Beck are to make the same gains as gays, it’s apparent they will have to do so without the help of gay rights groups, which so far want nothing to do with a zoophile movement. What’s more, they will have to wage battle with well-funded and politically connected animal-protection activists.” “And the most difficult task will be to take possession of their public image. In an internet age, zoophiles are more exposed than ever. Bestiality-themed websites are a Google search away. Hometown newspapers have learned that police reports of sex with animals become the best-read stories on their websites.” “Of course, the internet has a way of turning exposure to strength. It has allowed zoophiles from around the world to interact — not only to swap erotica but also to form a community and rehearse their arguments for the political stage. The internet also makes zoophiles accessible for the first time. They can be found in chatrooms, through websites that advocate their cause, and virtual-reality meetups.” “As this group gains confidence, zoophiles figure to be more open and then more outspoken in their demands for personal liberty and against discrimination. Improbable as it may seem, zoophiles might yet prove the new frontier in the battle for sexual civil rights.” “As cave drawings will attest, there’s a carnal desire in some humans to lie with beasts. And though many civilizations have tried, none has been able to eradicate it, much to the frustration of organizations such as the Humane Society of the United States.” “A bazillion cultures worldwide have prohibited this behavior,” sighs Bernard Unti, a spokesperson. Indeed, for committing this ultimate taboo, people have been jailed, tortured, and executed, but until the recent wave of legislation, Western culture has let humiliation and social ostracism act as the primary deterrents.” “[…] the question of whether bestiality belongs with pedophilia as they assume or whether some acts of humans having sex with animals are victimless.” “The Humane Society is preparing for that battle. “We have tried to reclassify ‘bestiality’ with ‘animal sex abuse,’ ” Unti says. He’s heard zoophiles compare themselves to gays who lived in a close-minded culture not long ago, but Unti says that argument ignores the role of human over animal.” “In Unti’s estimation, animals — like children — are not equipped with a brain that can withstand the coercion of a human adult. He claims there’s a “complex correlation” linking people who have sex with animals and those who commit violent acts against people. Asked for the scientific literature that supports such a link, Unti cites research that treats all sex with animals as a violent act, which will necessarily come out hostile toward zoophiles.” Where to begin?… The ostracized, previously isolated “zoo”, is getting connected via the internet…many are becoming emboldened…many are collaboration, and starting to make their own case, for legal emancipation. Sound familiar? Opposition wants to reclassify what they do, as “animal sex abuse”, and they cite studies which are entirely skewed…so, the “zoo”, never has any chance of ever coming out of the “study”, looking like anything but “evil”. Sound familiar? Opposition appeals to power imbalance, and implies some kind of vague, unclear “harm”. Sound familiar? Societies have tried to eradicate “zoos”, with prison, torture, death, etc…but, they always fail and bestiality perseveres. Sound familiar? They recognize their own parallels, with the [so called] “gay rights” movement [which was originally an extension, of the general sexual rights movement, before being hijacked]. Sound familiar? I have heard more than once, that “zoophiles are the new frontier in the battle for sexual civil rights”…[from pro-bestiality sites, of course, but still…]. …and to be completely honest, I am not entirely sure how I feel about this…especially when it comes to notions of, “who’s next in line, for liberation?” As Child/Teen Lovers, we certainly do not deserve to be eclipsed, or surpassed, by people who have sex with dogs [for example], just because there is less anti-bestiality propaganda, or anti-bestiality stigma…coupled with the fact, that many people in society, take an apathetic stance on bestiality. Yet, ironically…I could perceive it happening, in spite of the fact, that we are the ones who are at least engaging, with the same species as ourselves. No, of course, I don’t see “zoos” getting legal rights, anytime soon…but, sooner than “us”?…potentially, yes. Again, I’m not sure how I feel about this…because, so many of us Child/Teen Lovers, have been working so hard, and have been at this for so, so many years… You feel like the “zoos” are the new kids on the block, raring to zip right to the head of the line…but, maybe I should explain a few things, and set the stage, before I go any further. I am sure, at least a few people are probably shocked, that I am even broaching this subject matter, in the first place… Why do I care?…What do I know?…and Why do I know it?… A few years back, I decided that I was going to create a new persona, and non-eventfully immerse myself into the “zoophile” [bestiality] scene online, as a purely research intent. I’ve been aware, for years, of the bit of cross over, between the “pedophile” and “zoophile” communities, which exists. I am extremely open minded [which should go without saying], and I am not willing to pass judgement, before learning all that I can about a subject. So, I went and started reading, sites and boards, where “zoophiles” posted and congregated. My intent, was to actually formulate a concrete stance, on bestiality. I wanted to know, what are the dangers involved, and what are the values presented. What I found, was really interesting…and staggering… …because, let me tell you something… …For being an “oppressed” minority, “zoophiles” have an incredible amount of freedom, online. I managed to happen across content, which not only explained in more clinical terms, how and why some animals offer themselves sexually to male humans [as “alpha males”], but I also found “how too” manuals, for cultivating sexual relations, which the animal itself would derive orgasms, and sexual pleasure from…[these are things, which female animals do not experience, while with a partner of their own species…but, it’s entirely possible, if their companion is sophisticated enough to provide if for them]. A few things, which just blew my mind, was the freedom with which a few of the board participants shared their sexual engagements. This was not just talking about it… …One guy grabbed a camera, and shot photos of his dog [a sizable, female bitch], focused on her “spread eagle” crotch, as she laid on her back and his own, human erection was penetrating her vagina. There were several photos in that series… I scrolled down the page a bit further, to find a very similar series, by the same guy, with a different bitch. Now, this was an unanticipated download, mind you…it all came on the same page…and all the threads I’d read previously, had been only text [which is all that I was looking for]…but, alas… …this encouraged, yet another person, to post their own series of photos, with their dog. Probably the thing which amazed me, is that…I’m aware of all the “women with horses”, and dogs, and such…but, this is the first time I had ever encountered, hard core documentation, of female animals accepting a human male, as a sexual mating partner. Personally, I was just floored, that they even considered doing such things…[having sex with their dogs, and posting the photos freely on the web]…If we “pedophiles” tried doing anything of the like, we’d be behind bars, prosecuted with prejudice and haste. Yet, so many of them, just freely do…without apology…and, they are largely left alone. The nature of the events depicted in the photos, did not suggest an animal trying to escape…and this really struck me. Can you mate with an animal, in such a way that they enjoy it, for themselves?…Can the encounters, be life enhancing for the animal? Apparently, yes. …You introduce the animal to orgasms, and give them orgasms, many times over in a sexual encounter…and they’ll look forward, to future sexual encounters. As trippy as this may sound, to people who never actually paid any attention to such things…what I have seen, testifies to the reality, that some people [even men], have dogs who have become enthusiastic, about having sex with humans. Probably, the incident which “took the cake”, was a sampling, of a live action porno movie…a twenty something man, and his black lab, bitch…and these two were going to town, in multiple positions, over three or four minutes of free previewing. That dog, was not distressed…That dog was not being sexually tortured. In fact, it actually looked to be enjoying the sex [it was clear, that this was nothing new, and they were really “into their groove”]. How do you categorize that? Just because, someone might have a sexual encounter, with an accepting animal…does not automatically make it a case of “torture”…or “animal cruelty”, does it? Certainly not, if the animal is deriving sexual pleasure from it. Now, this is a really complicated issue, as relates to sexual ethics…especially for the kid in the news story, who is both bisexual, and into animals. Presumably, he would be inclined to go to bed with both male and female humans…as well as have sex with dogs and horses…and considering the potential, of passing viruses [and diseases] between species…there has got to be some sort of an ethical line…You cant be having a girlfriend on the side, while you are having sex with Fido. It seems to me, this is a life choice, which you make, and then move forward down that path…not something you can hide from others, in your pursuit to bang everything that is available to you. If somebody said to me…”Look, I’m never getting married…I’m not into women, adults, etc…typical options other people have, are not open to me…I think I’ll get a female dog, and cultivate this kind of relationship with her”… I think I could understand, and even respect, that kind of a choice…so long as it is conducted humanely, and ethically, with respect for both the animal(s), and anyone who might potentially become sexually interested in that person, in the future [they have no right, to go to bed with others, while hiding this from them]. Under these context, I can even understand why some “pedophiles”, would make such choices. It’s not a question of being perverse…but, one of being able to share something, with another living being. Sometimes, when your first natural inclination is not attainable…alternatives are your only option, and some are more convenient, and fitting, than others. Now that I have completely horrified all of my regular readers, and given the hate groups a smorgasbord of commentary, to completely twist out of context… …I do want to clarify, that “I” am not into having sexual relations with animals [unless you are counting human boys]. I do not have sex with animals [including human beings]. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything…and I consider “zoophiles”, to be like any other group…who has the right to assemble, make their stand and put forward their case. There is not going to be any future surprises…I’m not associated, or allied with organized “zoophiles”…I am not preparing you all, so that I can come out as one [like I said, I am not one]. But, I think this is an interesting thing on the horizon. One thing which has bothered me, during my brief time amongst the “zoos”, is the ready willingness of so many of them, to berate and tare into “pedophiles”…talking trash about Child/Teen Lovers, and behaving as though they are ethically superior… Sound familiar? To see members of such a minority, strutting around with such a contemptuous chip on their shoulder…is pretty hard to swallow. Can they honestly perceive, a shared relationship that can be summed up as “victimless bestiality”…while at the same time, failing to understand that victimless pedophilia, is a readily apparent, and proven reality? I hope the “zoophile” movement, is not so self centered, self righteous and short sighted…as to think it is going burst through the barriers, straight into liberation, by making enemies amongst potential allies. But, then again…they may amount to nothing… The way I see it…”zoos” already have all the freedom, that honestly matters…It exists in the apathy which most people have about them. So long as they’re not humping their dogs, out in the front yard…So long as they are keeping it discrete…are “zoos” honestly experiencing, that much oppression? Based upon what I have seen online…I would have to argue, “no”. They have a virtual paradise, in comparison to the inhumane crap, that Child/Teen Lovers [and sexually active children] have to endure. That is my honest assessment, from my observations of them, a few years back… A lot of them, are quite sexually satisfied…and are even bold, about telling the world about their sexual relations with animals. If you want to know my official stance on “zoophilia”, it is this… So long as you are not sexually torturing anything, or killing it, or causing it to sustain injury…then, to each their own. If your Saint Bernard bitch likes it, when you get on top, into the missionary position…then, that is “your” business, not mine… I think, this is as fair a stance, as any informed mind could arrive at. Still, part of me wants to look at the “zoos”, and say “Welcome to the club!…get in line!” Can they ever win sexual liberty? I honestly do not know…but, I cannot perceive it ever happening, in a world that does not even understand victimless Child/Teen Love. …and it just seem like the natural, logical flow of things, for us Child/Teen Lovers to move forward first…and possibly pave the way for “zoophiles”. The idea of them “leap frogging”, or surpassing us, just seems…extremely weird, and wrong…definitely unfair. I do contest, that people into bestiality, are “the next frontier in sexual liberation”… Everything I have witnessed tells me, that Child/Teen Lovers, are rightfully next in line, and presently standing on the cutting edge, front line. We are already well into waging “the battle before the battle”…and we are gaining ground, in seizing our own identity. Regardless, there is something fundamentally important, about recognizing the true nature in sexuality, and sexual practices…and that understanding, in some way, binds the future plight of our two minorities, into the same circumstances. I wont speak ill of “zoophiles”…but, as I decided long ago, I am not going to promote bestiality, either. This stance is far more respectful, than some of what I’ve seen coming out of certain corners in the “zoophile” community, and focused at Child/Teen Lovers. Whether or not this should be called a “pity”, I’m sure is a matter of greatly debated opinion. Should there be an olive branch?… …Would it help, or hurt us?…	….