David L. Riegel: The SafeHaven Foundation…

Date: May 19, 2013

…The SafeHaven Foundation…

…Academic publications…

…Electronic Books…

…Internet papers…

…The Philosophy of Responsible Boylove…

Regarding Dave Riegel and his SafeHaven Foundation…

…This is an issue I’ve wanted to address for a while. I’m going to be adding a link to his website, on my OLF links page…But, I wanted to get a few things off my chest and just out there.

Dave Riegel may not be perfect…but from what I have known of him, he is a generally decent and well meaning person.

I believe, Dave’s motives are not dissimilar to my own…Meaning, that many of us are unable to stomach the deafening silence…and we want substantive dialogue about “our issues”, taking place in the public arena…Since painfully few people are doing this today…we step up, and add to the numbers. Sharing our views and what we have learned, is not unethical…It is to be valued and encouraged. This is probably the best option we have, right now…to get more and more people talking, thinking and discussing “our issues”, based upon objective reality.

To be sure…Dave has traveled down a path, which has earned him heavy scrutiny…I don’t know that anybody has ever contested this point of fact…Most notably, his practice of writing essays based upon online surveys [aimed at BoyLovers]. Also, I am not certain Dave still does this, but I do recall him referring to SafeHaven as a research foundation, in the past.

It has been pointed out by Dave’s [often aggressive and nasty] detractors, that Dave has no official training as a researcher…And hence, it is suggested that he has no business doing what he does…It has also been suggested, that he is doing more harm than good…Dave has stated, that he has college training in statistical analysis, and believes this is adequate for what he is doing. Personally, I take no stance on this…other than to say, I think it is valuable and very much needed, to collect, analyze and publish information about BoyLovers, for others to consider…This information, after all, is largely hidden from public consciousness…Indeed…It’s never honestly been compiled, on any substantial level…nor coherently. Dave’s efforts may be limited, but they are the first of their kind…Dave is doing something, in an area where virtually everybody else is neglecting what should be done.

As to Dave’s tendency to isolate himself…I have more than once found this both perplexing, and unfortunate…And I am not sure what he has against NAMBLA, Newgon, IPCE, etc…

To my mind…we are at a point in social evolution, where simple communication is most important…It does not matter that a lot of us have deeply conflicting viewpoints, amongst one another…For me, it is a given that many of us will “buck heads” over it…A lot of us, will just never get along…But we are accomplishing the necessity, of communicating our issues…

…The important thing, is that we keep hold of the point…that none of us should be attempting, to crowd out or silence others…

This is the one thing that really outraged me, and I became sick to death of endlessly witnessing it on BoyChat…After staying silent for years, I finally took a public stand against it…Which predictably [and pathetically] got one of BoyChat’s most infamous, mentally ill resident sociopaths, to become obsessed with me…following me around BoyChat, posting starkly irrelevant [and almost universally wrong] accusations, as clear provocation…It went on for several months [I guess they think they “taught me a good lesson”.]…In my opinion, BoyChat [and our larger sub-culture] is so messed up, because of individuals like that one, who pull such immature, smarmy and underhanded B.S…A place which is supposed to be about open communication, does not need such a mentally unbalanced, sociopath hypocrite, wandering around making a mess of the place, and acting as if they own it.

Some of these individuals, actually have the gall…to attempt passing off their clearly predatory and personally malicious behavior…as some form of “warning the unaware”, about the supposed ill character/intent of their target…When it could not ever be more painfully clear, that these individuals have a personal vendetta…Their words and actions repeatedly scream, that whatever is going on in these spectacles they put on [parade all over BoyChat, add nauseum]…it is fundamentally about they, themselves…and some personal deficiency, they need to get control of.

This “Good Samaritan” spin, is a clear lie…You don’t need comments about hoping Dave dies, gets institutionalized or euthanized, nor the endless, shameful parade of cut downs and vulgarities, in order to “let others know, Dave’s work may not be the most sound content available”…People with good intentions, do not resort to that…And it so frequently comes up in response to Dave’s posts on BoyChat, that it is just disgusting…a shameful disgrace, and a blot on BoyChat.

Dave may not “play well” with many others [a point, which accurately applies to a number of people at BoyChat and elsewhere]…but a lot of what we are forced to witness on BoyChat, is very old sour grapes…old rivalries and disputes, stemming from the SafeHaven forum days…Some people just wont let go of it, and move on.

As to the principle of “Responsible BoyLove”…I’ve never been offended by it, myself…But, a lot of BoyLovers get up in arms, anytime someone tries to articulate what they think it means “to be a BoyLover”…It seems, there is an ultra sensitivity against being “boxed into a definition”…

Personally, I think “Responsible BoyLove” is fully compatible with my own viewpoints on man/boy love…and I look upon it, as more of an ideal…while understanding, that a lot of people wont live up to it…Heck, by some people’s definition…if you get a boner for boys, that makes you a BoyLover…Other people attach more facets of relationship to it.

…I think…the sexual orientation towards boys, makes you a “base level BoyLover”…While aspiring towards deeper meaning and social good in your orientation, makes you something beyond a “base level BoyLover”…For this, people might express thoughts and labels like “Responsible BoyLove”…

Why anyone is feeling threatened by this, is completely beyond me…But it feels very narrow in vision, for others to not understand this simple principle.

Maybe “they” don’t like “being branded”…but good grief…Nobody is saying, “they” have to embrace or promote these ideas.

I should clarify one thing, though…When I say “Responsible BoyLove” is compatible with my own viewpoints…This means I accept the gravity, of making a boys better interests paramount…It does not mean, that I reject brief experiences of tender intimacy [ie: “sexual flings”], nor that I have no understanding or tolerance for human fallibility, or the fact that life is intrinsically dangerous by virtue of living it…In other words, I accept the ideal as a goal…but I don’t turn my back, on the realities of life…”Responsible BoyLove”, is not dogmatic…

I would like to bring this to a close, by pointing out one last thing…and this has been stated by others, also…

Dave is very good at documenting and summarizing the research of others, in fields which concern us…

Some people like to blow off, what Dave has done over the years…But he has published several books…These books are excellent resources, for the research and studies which they cite…Dave continues to publish essays, which do the same. This raises awareness, to a substantial body of research…One which has largely been out there for decades, but that most people are unaware of.

I do not know how many people fall into this category…But some have stated that it was because of Dave’s work, that they ended up digging deeper…And this was indispensable, to their own self acceptance…as well as learning to stand up and fight for themselves.

Dave’s work may not be perfect…but it does have serious value…And this is why, I am finally going to include it in my OLF links page…It deserves attention and consideration.

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Date: October 14, 2013

I wanted to add one other thing…

…There are a number of people amongst us, who have performed remarkable acts for the benefit of BoyLovers around the globe…and I consider Dave to be in this class…Here is why…

Probably the single bravest thing I have ever seen done, out of anyone from the online BoyLove community…was the act for which Dave was once well respected, but now is virtually forgotten…Dave spent months, if not a couple of years, traveling all over the place…arranging and having face to face meetings with well over a hundred other BoyLovers, some of whom he did not know on a personal basis. I know from my own meeting with him, the potential dangers in what he was doing, was not lost on him…yet, he continued to carry out these meetings.

I do not want to over dramatize…but I also think it is entirely fair, to say that Dave was putting himself in a very vulnerable position, over and over and over, in order to collect research data…for what was supposed to have been a study assessing the psychological stability of BoyLovers. [Note: I may not be stating that exactly correct, but it was supposed to give an idea of how well we were acclimated to the world, how well we coped with things, etc.] Dave could have been set up and ambushed, any number of times…Annie Cox [one of the more dominant stalkers and harassers targeting BoyChat members [and members of the larger online BoyLove community] at that time, had Daves picture on her website, along with all these details of how Dave was using his retirement benefits to travel around for free, collecting this data…She was trying to stir up trouble, like the fundamentalist screwball she is, and derail the entire study. While I seriously doubt that Annie had much impact, the fact remains…there were people threatening Dave in various ways. Worse possible case…Dave could have been set up, abducted and murdered…That is not at all outside of the feasible, considering what he was doing and the environment in which he was doing it.

…In my opinion…this act alone, cements Daves place as a respected member of the BoyLove community…It displayed far more courage than anything else I can cite, coming from someone in our community…

If you are at all wondering why I take such great offense over it, when the parade of venom spewers come out every time Dave posts something on BoyChat [no matter how well intentioned, or sincere on the part of Dave]…No small part of my offense, comes from the fact that this foul behavior is outright antithetical to BoyChats own existence, as a discussion forum for BoyLovers who need such a resource…But on top of this…it is outright pitiful, disgraceful…and personally embarrassing as a member of this community…watching a handful behave like a pack of rabid animals…going to such underhanded depths…taking great lengths in tearing down someone who has a concrete history of putting his own ass on the line, in no small way…all for the benefit of the rest of us…And what have the relentless bitchers and moaners attacking Dave ever done, other than act like a bunch of unsophisticated lunatics, which embarrass our community?

…Maybe they have done something, themselves…but they are absolutely out of line, in the malicious way they treat Dave…There is no excuse for what they do…and they are only insulting and spitting in the face of our community, by trying to claim that they do it “in order to warn the unwary, of charlatans”…or they are “defending the community” somehow by “running off the crazies”…

I am not trying to kiss anyone’s butt, here…And I will agree, it is right that Daves work should be scrutinized…Like with each and every single one of us, there may be a lot of shortcomings with Dave…but what I have seen on BoyChat in the past, and on an outright chronic basis, aimed at Dave…has largely been senseless, extreme, ugly and unjust…

…The people who have engaged in this abhorrent behavior, have always been [likely unwittingly] telling us far more about themselves in these relentless attacks, than they have ever told us anything about Dave or his publications…

That is plain reality…and it is why the ruckus coming from these burdensome noise makers has, in my opinion, never even amounted to so much as padiddilly squat…If that group had anything of substance to detract from Daves work with, it seems perfectly reasonable that they would be bringing it to the table, instead of resorting to this chronic, low level rudeness and drivel.

I cannot even begin to take people like that seriously…They discredit and disgrace themselves, right from the start.

Thankfully…not everyone behaves like that…and many people are level headed enough, to understand and take Daves work for what it is…Dave is still afforded some degree of well earned respect, from some members of our community…and I am amongst that group…I have my clear reasons for this.

Dave is fallible, but he has proven that he deserves respect…He has earned his place in our community.

‘Hundreds of Victims’…Again…

….	Date: May 16, 2013 01) BoyChat Response 02) Our approach to pedophilia isn’t working – Salon I was watching a PBS show [Independent Lens] earlier, about female rape victims in the U.S. military… …The “every predator has an average of 300 victims” got mentioned…causing me to spontaneously outburst and audible, “Oh, bull shit!”… Of course, the core problem in that show is a complete travesty, and a miscarriage of justice… …In addition, I would never even think of contesting that it is possible for rare cases to attain 300+ true victims…however improbable it may be. I see the author of this piece, also subscribes to this fallacy…that “every sex offender has, on average, hundreds of victims”… The issue of heavy and liberal padding, when qualifying “victims”, aside… …I am curious, if there are even enough people within the concerned cultural populations…to fill all these 300 positions, for every single one of the sex offenders?… …Or, just what percentage of said populations, would be presumed to have been assaulted by these many, many sex offenders. According to This January 23, 2012 article…747,408 registered sex offenders are on the books, in the U.S… Hmmm…747,408 x 300 = 244,222,400 alleged victims…people being raped, groped…seeing a streaker run by…and whatever… I just ran across a number [in unrelated readings], which says the U.S. population is a bit over 310 million people… …244, 222,400 divided by 310 million = about 79%… Very interesting… …So, almost 80% of the entire U.S. population has been raped, groped, unexpectedly forced to see somebody else’s “junk”…or got looked at by a horny “pervert”… I conclude…we are all a bunch of sex abuse victims, in the U.S…”obviously”… Just think…and they continue to say, that the true numbers remain “massively under-reported”… …Kind of scary, when you contemplate…maybe 150% of the population or more, have been victims of sexual assault…Could it be 200%?!…More?! This horribly unscientific number experiment may not really prove a lot…but I think it makes clear, something very important… …The “hundreds of victims average”, is pure hogwash…unless you are desperate enough, to include even the most trivial of sexually offending behavior. …I know, I know…Many people are counted as victims of U.S. sex offenders, who don’t live in the U.S…So, it’s not really a sound conclusion…But seriously…of all the registered sex offenders…How many honestly do travel all that far away from home?…or talk hundreds of cute Russian boys, into dancing naked in front of their web cams?… …I just don’t see it… I think the agencies and lobbyists, are desperate for victims…victims who factually don’t even exist. There are far to many registered sex offenders, with small numbers of “verifiable victims”…and when is the last time you heard of anybody getting caught [other than inflated “child porn” cases], where the victim count was 600 to 1000, to make up for all the “slackers”? The “child porn” kids are an interesting question, also…I would literally expect, most individual children/teens known to be involved, get counted hundreds of times over…if not thousands…I mean, how many individual kids could have seriously been involved, over the years [even including stuff like BIBs]?…In comparison to the world population of children/teens, I highly doubt the percentage is even significant. Am I wrong, in any of this?… Note: Actually, as to the article itself…I should say, it is bitter sweet to read articles like this… On the one hand, the author is showing generally more human decency and intelligence, than the average person…And I do appreciate that…On the other hand, it is still something of a propagandist piece…Which takes a lot of the shine off of it. ===	….

Hive Child: a boy for Anonymous and Allison Shea…

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….	Date: May 14, 2013 I’ve been given permission to re-post an article written by Bernie Najarian, and posted at BoyChat. I placed it onto it’s own blog page, because something about it is causing it to display improperly, on the main blog page. The article is linked below. …Hive Child: a boy for Anonymous and Allison Shea…	….
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‘Moderate’ Islam…

….	Date: May 13, 2013 01) OtherChat Post “My personal feeling is that the so-called ‘moderate’ Islam will ultimately be used as a wedge to force things toward the not-so-moderate Islam later on.” This is something which has weighed really heavy on my mind, over the past several years. It’s true enough, that you cannot blame most muslims for the seriously horrific acts, inspired by islam…for a variety of complex reasons…For one thing, most of them do not appear to be committing those sorts of acts, some are even very outspoken against it [which could make them targets, themselves]…though, in my opinion, not nearly enough take such a meaningful stand…Also, many such people are products of their own culture…where gruesome acts of atrocity may very well be the norm…I expect, humans are humans…and they likely don’t perceive a personal responsibility, over the fact that the world is a cruel place…just like so many other people, all over the globe…Or they just think, “their world is the normal world”…and for whatever reason, they think this is the way things are supposed to be… …But what remains in the back of my mind…is the question, of just what good it does having millions of non-violent muslims in your culture…if their ultimate effect is creating a politically powerful social class, that will willingly push sharia into the local and national government? The peaceful muslim immigrants take on a whole other slant, when you actually take a look at what is going on in other countries…Most recently, we have the “Arab spring” to consider…and how countries are curiously turning into sharia states…despite the fact for example, that the people originally behind the protests and overthrow of old regimes like that in Egypt, wanted absolutely nothing to do with a sharia state…Their revolution was hijacked, right out from underneath them. Do I believe, that people would willingly give rise to a world ruled by sharia?… …If that is just the life that they know, and they are conditioned to conform…Then yes, I do. …Do I believe, that they care about the fate of native people in the cultures they wish to dominate with sharia?…Or, at least care enough to abort all aggressive actions directed at world dominance [which is a core principle of islam]?…Or to put it another way…Do I believe they will ever adopt a “live and let live” philosophy?… …I have extremely little hope of it. Islam has been around for over 700 years…And it is notorious, for it’s violent resistance to change and evolution…That is something, which really sets it apart…Only two denominations are recognised to exist…and at least one, seemingly wishes to destroy the other… By my estimate…if islam were a more [relatively] healthy political, religious and social structure…it would have dozens of different denominations, by now…at least. Regarding Sam… …I can understand that criticism…and I wouldn’t call it wrong…But I also think islam is getting stronger reaction from many, because of it’s unique set of circumstances… The other two Abrahamic religions are largely…well…broken down to the point, where world domination is outside their grasp…and there is a very substantial sentiment of “live and let live”, incorporated into modern judaism and christianity…In short, they’ve largely been tamed, cultured and domesticated…evolving far away, from their original roots. Of course, I know some people might dispute even that…because they believe, jesus christ was a model of humanity to all, and christianity is supposed to be based on the example of jesus christ…But, the reality of organised religion is not so simple…And what we are ultimately forced to confront, is the actions of organised religion. Could they become a threat again?…Very possibly, yes…But islam is clearly the one, with ambitions and credible resolve, as we set here today, right now. Possibly, this is why Sam is much more accepting of the other two…We are accustomed to judaism and christianity, and they don’t seem as threatening as islam does.	….
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What gets under my skin…

….	Date: May 13, 2013 01) Give religion a spray, the non-discriminatory way What gets under my skin… …is the way “islamophobia” gets thrown around… Don’t get me wrong, because I do think there could be a legitimate context for using this term…It’s just that, it seems to pop up “everywhere”… I get the sense, it’s usage is disingenuous…I mean, good grief…If we are honest, then we have to acknowledge that real, substantial discussion and observation on Islam [as a social concern], is just now beginning to gain momentum…Nobody was talking about this stuff, back in the 70’s, 80’s or 90’s… There is a genuine culture clash, and a lot of “islamic culture values”, which are outright repugnant in, and inconsistent with, “western culture” [and I would judge, inferior]…There is also a visible trend, of islamists moving to “western” countries and wishing to import their “islamic culture” with them, to the extent of incorporating it into government…As opposed to embracing the culture of their host country…It is no surprise, that a lot of people are uneasy about this…Nor that they don’t like it, and want it to stop… It’s because of stuff going on, like in the Netherlands…where they’ve been having very serious political and social problems, with islam oriented groups and organizations, which many other “westerners” are reacting in horror towards…And from what I have seen, it is entirely justified horror [as well as outrage]. …Just now, it feels we are getting to a point where we are starting to breach into healthy discussion, about islam and it’s world aspirations. A large [if not the primary] part of the reason why Harris, Dawkins, etc, etc, have been so forceful in their approach, is because they have been attempting to push “western” cultures into a full on social discussion about what islamic aspirations mean to the rest of us. …Something which I, and I think any rational person, would welcome… This is not something which should be approached with silence, or meek appeasement…Islamic culture may be prideful…but that does not mean that it cannot, or should not, be subjected to strong criticism…or rejection, as a social model. In the face of what has become demonstrable [islamic culture, hijacking countries and subduing their native populations]…anyone trying to retort, by throwing around the word “islamophobia”…as though they can shame the people expressing legitimate alarm, into silence…Those people clearly have their heads, up their own behinds. …I sincerely wish people would stop resorting to this cowardly, deceitful, propagandist word “islamophobia”…and that they would actually address the fundamental concerns on the table. I mean, does anyone else stop and consider, just how often these “phobia” labels are evoked, simply to derail discussion and taint the image of others?…And yes, homophobia sometimes gets abusively used this way, also. The point is…”islamophobia” is being used as a weapon, to halt a dialogue which needs to happen…and at a time, when that dialogue is still relatively fragile…There is something extremely wrong and creepy about that. Islam deserves no privileges, above any other group…And I look upon this, with all the same distaste as I experience in the face of nearly any form of censorship. Now…If Sam Harris has factually advocated violence, or anything like dehumanization, etc, etc, against any group…I would seriously take exception…and I would consider this to be a tragic, unfortunate turn for “the new atheists”. I’ve not personally seen this out of Harris…but then, I don’t follow him closely. I have previously held him in substantially high respect, though. What I’ve seen of him, has shown me that he has a good mind, and a gift for articulate communication that anyone can understand.	….
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A Lovers Tale…

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….	Date: May 8, 2013 …On YouTube… …On Blip.TV… Mmmmm…Synth pads… Short and simple…but I just loved the end outcome, here. I’m not sure why I named it what I did, but it needed a name…and so, it got one. Hopefully, you wont be forced to watch a commercial…But if so, it’s trending on Chuck-E-Cheeses…and if you’re a Child Lover, you’re not allowed to dislike these kinds of commercials, anyway… …It’s on page 271 of the manual…Ignorance is no defense… But seriously, if the commercials get too imposing…I’ll see if it is any better, embedding from YouTube…You can always follow the link to your preferred website, if the embedded video doesn’t show up.	….
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“Hey Babe!”: Has Lego Gone “Rape Culture”?…

Date: May 6, 2013

…Lego Apologizes for Cat-Calling Sticker…

…Lego Apologizes for Cat-Calling Sticker…

…The Other Link…

…The Other Link…

…And The Still Other Link…

…And The Still Other Link…

“Not long ago, Josh Stearns, a father of two young sons living in western Massachusetts, posted photos of a set of LEGO stickers on his Tumblr account. Stearns, who had just begun introducing the “diminutive building blocks” to his 4-year-old son, was appalled by the image of a hard-hatted construction worker waving at an unseen passersby, shouting “HEY BABE!”

“I was so disappointed to see the brand affiliated with a product that normalized street harassment and cat-calling,” he wrote.”

Long story short…Josh complained to Lego, and Charlotte Simonsen [senior director at LEGOs corporate communications office in Denmark] returned with an apology…and explained relations with the business behind those graphics, had discontinued some time ago…

Of course…what this Lego set portrayed, was very light hearted humor…a variant on construction workers whistling, at the attractive female walking by…

…It’s something of a dorky social performance, which some males embrace…in attempts to catch the attention, of a pretty lady.

I suppose, there may be some debate…as to whether this is the best choice, when creating a product for “5 to whatever” year old kids…Or I would at least suggest, it’s more a question of safe public relations, in a culture where so many people are looking for anything to get offended over…But, I cannot get over just how tame this set of stickers is…While at the same time, Josh Stearns represents this whole situation as “severe”…and “normalized street harassment and cat-calling”…

I tend to think, it’s just a silly, harmless caricature, myself.

The “rape culture” thing…

…This is actually not in the story, but it is infused into the conversation down in the comments section…

Now personally, I accept the idea of “rape culture”, where there is a discernible institutionalization of rape within a culture…Or to put it another way, where people get raped and the culture is set up to shelter and defend that rape…And I’m thinking things like, children sold into sex houses…slaves who are forced to engage in sex…street gangs who terrorize and rape the population…

…What I don’t think of…is every single vague reference to male sexuality, which someone, somewhere might find tasteless…or rude.

When things have traveled this far down the road…I think this is so far removed from true “rape culture”, that the people who are evoking this whole idea of “rape culture” over such trivial things…are not only devaluing it’s meaning…they’re manipulatively using the term, in attempt to force their own power over others…

…And that is probably the singular thing which bothers me, about the way “rape culture” is being used these days…It’s more an invented piece of propaganda, which allows people to jump through hoops, and mentally associate anything they dislike with the act of rape…

What so typically follows, is said same people looking down in judgement, at those who disagree with them…”Oh?!…You support rape?!”…

…It just feels way to much, like the same old thing…like the same dirty social tricks, pulled on us.

This reminds me of the April 1st report of “Muslim Furor” over a Lego set which I originally presumed as an April Fools day joke…until I found the same basic report, from January of the same year on a different site…And, they also link to still another instance of said report…

Old Stuff, But Good to Know: Cynthia Jean (Dale) Harvey…

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….	Date: May 2, 2013 This is one of the people, who has targeted me [and I’m a fairly decent person, who is doing absolutely nothing immoral or unethical]…All the while parading her own grocery list of “bat poo insanity”, which she lacks all sense to keep in the closet… …Cynthia Has No Place, Throwing Rocks at Others… I’ve been told a number of times, that Cynthia Jean (Dale) Harvey has done an enormous amount of writing, on her own sexual proclivities…which includes, violent and cruel sadomasochism… …In fact, sources I trust have told me she is outright sick…And reading some of the quotes in this expose [by all means, please do so]…I am inclined to agree… I knew she was off her rocker mentally, and an abusive alcoholic…but I never really had the stomach, to go wandering through her [many, from what I hear] writings about her own sexuality… Cynthia is someone who literally combines violence and hurting people, with her own sexuality…She gets off sexually, on injuring people…again, literally… If that is “what sex is” to you…Then I could understand why you would never want young people to experience sex… …However, what Cynthia thinks “is sex”, is an extremely warped, grotesque interpretation of sex…And she is the last person on this planet, who has any business placing herself in judgement of others sexuality. Cynthia also has this bizarre, territorial interpretation on human sex rights…She thinks violent and cruel people like herself deserve it…while at the same time, she is so alarmed and up in a tizzy, at the thought of Child Lovers and Teen Lovers even discussing the idea of their own human sex rights [as well as that of children]… …Yes, in Cynthia’s mind, she can say and do whatever sick and disgusting thing she likes, because it makes her horny…But don’t even think you have a right to say anything, if Cynthia doesn’t like you… Cynthia is a prime example, of very deep…very hard core, mental illness… …She is quite literally a sociopath. I would also suggest, that Cynthia is not even good enough to lick the bottom of the shoes, of the people she so viciously attacks. Why is it…It’s the people who are so insanely messed up in the head, who think they have every right standing in judgement of others?…Is it because they are trying to compensate for their own mammoth failings, as a human being? It seems, we BoyLovers and Girl-Lovers suffer this exact indignity, quite a lot…The dredges of society, looking for an easy target, who even they can kick for their own thrills. Cynthia imagining herself “better than” a Child Lover or Teen Lover?!… …What a completely sick joke!… I’ll take even the most annoying Child Lover or Teen Lover any day, over Cynthia… …Hell, they’re much better company…and for the most part, they are at least sane… Cynthia could only aspire, to be as good as many Child Lovers and Teen Lovers are…And that is the pure, sweet truth.	….
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Absolute Zero Unites…

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….	Date: May 1, 2013 Note: This is not a blog of the extremely sick and deranged terrorist group, Absolute Zero United…On the contrary, this is a blog which exposes the truth about cruel groups like Absolute Zero United. [Addendum: I edited and only left the proxied link – More at the bottom of this post.] …Absolute Zero Unites… I do not know who is behind this [somewhat old] blog…but I about fell over, when I discovered that it is still up…and quite active…It must be true what they say about Blogspot…the winds have honestly changed…I was shocked to see a number of familiar faces blogging on Blogspot…and discovering that they had been, for years… …But this specific blog, it amazes me that it’s been left alone…just because of it’s nature. That aside…my hat is off to the owner of “Absolute Zero Unites“. You are doing, what “The Wall” [and several other of my post series] were intended to do. I should just link to you, and call it good…You are wonderful! Initially, I was entirely against this sort of thing…until I found out just how out of line, mentally disturbed and dangerous groups like “AZU”, “Perverted Justice”, etc. were…At which point I relented to the truth…These are malicious hate groups, who thrive on the enjoyment of tormenting and destroying people…Something must be done, to put an end to them…After this much time, they’re not going to tire of this obsession [which was my original intuition]…What they have, is a hard core mental illness…and they must be stopped…These groups must be shut down… Today, I fully agree with and embrace the idea behind “Absolute Zero Unites”. I’ll add this blog to my links page…Maybe, I’ll place a permanent link to it on the front page…or even in this very posting series… Oh, I’m still going to post my own posts…I need a place, to publish my own content regarding these matters…and that is what “The Wall” is for… Note: Unfortunately, I think it’s better to be safe than sorry…as the owner of that blog is part of the “reform sex offender laws” movement. While I respect this movement…It would be foolish to presume that people in that camp are friends of Child Lovers and Teen Lovers. I know for a fact, many are quite hostile towards us…and wear their contempt for us, on their sleeve. A thing or two I read on that blog, I don’t feel all that good about…It should be visited behind a proxy, in my opinion.	….
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