Daily Archives: June 23, 2014

This is Part of the Problem…

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Date: June 23, 2014

This is the publication nutopiansg quotes [not the actual article, but the base publication]…

…Prophecy News Watch…

…Prophecy News Watch…

…Their tagline is…

“Keeping You Informed of World Events From A Biblical Perspective…with weekly prophecy-related news updates via e-mail.”

…So, this is a religious publication, aimed at devoutely religious people, who hold a particular kind of world view…Likely, not a very tolerant audience, when it comes to “outsiders”…

…And it does my heart ill, to have to say that…As many know…I grew up amongst them [that sort of environment], as an isolated sexual minority child…and teenager…And it really had a severely negative impact upon me, over my lifetime…I spent so much of my life feeling like an alien sub-human, who did not belong…Mainly because that sort of subculture, simply does not understand how to accept sexual minorities…In no small part, these groups are built upon the exclusion of people who are different…They only understand how to close ranks, and attack people who are not “like themselves”.

…This is the truth, for way to many religious organizations…And I have lost all trust in the goodness or integrity, of organized religion…It tares up and injures those who do not conform, just as easily as it embraces like minded people…It’s the worlds oldest “good ol boys club”.

I think, the last thing minor attracted people can expect out of such a source, is to be treated with respect or dignity…So, just be aware of where nutopiansg is aquiring his “facts” from…and the bias of said source.

…the move to legalize pedophelia- child rape-CHILD ABDUCTION RINGS…

This is a few years old [2011]….

…But I’m not so much bringing this up for the discussion of the DSM 5 conference on the definition of pedophilia…as I am for what the video maker [nutopiansg] does and says in it…

You can go watch the video…Forgive me, but it is really late…and my mental stamina is breaking down a bit…So, I am going to leap past most of this content…Some of it, I don’t even remember, though I just watched this about fifteen minutes ago…

nutopiansg starts out by reading for several minutes, what Prophecy News Watch has to say about the discussions, from a few years back…and basically drags B4U-ACT through the mud…

This appears to be someone who accepts having his information processed and fed to him, by an extremely biased source…So, I don’t really expect a whole lot of critical or deep thought out of his assessment…and I am not disappointed, on that point…

…nutopiansg merely accepts the propaganda created by Prophecy News Watch…Just like so many others, who accept what a source says…because the people behind that source are expressing things, which fit their own world view…”It must be correct, because I already believe it!”…

…Woe to all else, that falls within “The Other”…

…Because that just isn’t worth any kind of consideration…Is it?…

nutopiansg carries on…stating that he was molested [he might have said “sexually abused”, I don’t explicitly recall]…and to this, I would like to sincerely express something…

It is not my place to ask you any details…and I accept, regardless of the exact quality or nature of your experience, that something…some factor, or factors, must have led you to the conclusion that you were done wrong…I cannot take your cognition away from you…and I know that these kinds of social situations can be complicated…especially given the social stigma, and the lack of knowledge and support, which so many people who experience them find themselves in.

I want to say…that I am sincerely sorry for you, no matter what the source, that you were ever made to feel like you do today…

…And people like you, nutopiansg…are every bit as much a reason to me, to keep doing what I have been doing…essentially for the past 16 years…opening myself up, and attempting to bridge gaps within the human species.

I believe…a world should exist where nobody is compelled to feel dehumanized, or degraded, over having had an experience…sexual, or otherwise. Our worth and value as human beings, is never based upon any one, singular thing we went through…or did, in our lives.

If you were forced against your will…you have my sympathies. That should not happen to anyone.

As to your contention that “pedophilia can be cured”…or dealt with…or however it is you phrased it…

…At first, I was left questioning this…what you meant…Because it could have been either a misinformed statement…or a coy piece of innuendo…

…You go on to tell the story, of “two child molesters in your town”…and of parents making a visit with baseball bats…and of them being gone, the next day…

…After which you acknowledge, that it “may be” controversial to advocate violence…

…And it became crystal clear, what your supposed “cure” is…

…It’s more of the same message of inhumane violence…”kill the pedophile”…

There is a lot of hate and rhetoric, in your video…and in what you advocate, nutopiansg…

…All the while…the actual issue, which a lot of us in the minor attracted community put sincere, well meaning effort into, went straight over your head…because you were willing to read this trite, biased piece of propaganda…and accept it at face value.

You know…I am done with watching videos, from supposedly “good, upstanding, righteous and decent” [commonly religious] people, where all they have to offer…is murderous, violent, inhumane, criminal, nasty sentiment…sometimes, even threats…I am done, with not calling a spade a spade…I am done looking the other way when they behave abhorrently, or abusively, just because they claim to be a victim of some form.

I’ve seen this way to many times…individuals get into this mindset, where they get this massive “victims chip” on their shoulder…and they think themselves licensed to spout off all sorts of deplorable, horrible stuff at other people and minorities…Commonly, they don’t even know what they are talking about…but they extrapolate whatever exactly happened to themselves, to everybody else who has ever had anything to do with “pedophilia”.

They are so hung up on their own experience and what they think about that…that they don’t even take the time, to dig deeper and find out what is honestly going on…They just want a punching bag, to take their frustrations out on…So they become one of these “polite religious gangstas”, who spread messages of hate, violence and murder, against all of us phantom pedophiles out here…

…Oh, but they’re still “good hearted and decent, wonderful people”…

Of course…that is all based upon a foundation, where they get to run us underground, censor our voices…and socially frame our existence, in the most deplorable way they please…at their own leisure.

You see…this is a massive part of the problem…people always trying to define others, in ways which dehumanize them…and in ways which allow them, to attack without limits…without accountability…without sound reason…without actually thinking or understanding, before they attack

…And this is exactly the kind of insanity…which people like myself [millions of people], have been forced to grow up in…and contend with, all of our lives…

I believe it was Cardinal Tutu, who has been quoted as saying something to the effect…that atrocities are dehumanizing to all involved…because it dehumanizes both the victim, and the perpetrator…

I not only agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly…I would further expand on that, and say that it dehumanizes anyone…to submerge themselves into the culture of hate and violence.

Many supposedly good, “godly” people…are doing dehumanizing and disgusting things, against their fellow humans…What is so tragic about this…is that this is being accepted…celebrated, even…amongst re-affirming like minds…

This is not helping anything…We pedosexuals will continue to be born…We will continue to be a part of your culture…your families…your communities…As we die off, more will replace us…We will cycle…and this whole social conflict, will continue to recycle…until people who actually want it to stop, stand up and come together…from all camps.

Until we place this hate behind us…this witch hunt will continue to attack…even to the hysterical point, of going after your own children…anyone who does [or wants to do], anything sexually taboo.

You know…I’ve survived a lot of things in my life…and it is accurate to say, that “survived” is an appropriate term to describe my years growing up in the church…

My supposedly “perverse” sexuality was one of the only lights in my life, for years…It was a source of joy…balance…normalcy…wellbeing…a sense of being alive, being human and belonging…of being my natural self, without shame in these moments…

…That this beautiful thing existing under my skin was under constant attack…that I was made to feel dirty, and as though my eternal soul was lost…that I was suicidal by the time I hit the age of thirteen…

…That is the scar which supposedly good christianity left on me…

Finding my way out of this, did not come at the hands of good christians…

…Many of whom are, apparently, incapable of humanity where it most is needed.

As a humanist…as an atheist…as a child lover…I strive for a much higher benchmark, in standards of behavior, ethics and approach to my fellow human…

I would like to invite people like nutopiansg, to join me in spreading this standard…to be a better human being.

– Stephen Lewis Diamond

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Critical Estoppel Videos…


Date: June 23, 2014

Thank you to Alain Manés [@Alain_Manes]…

I am actually quite familiar with Nigel’s videos…I even went so far, as to ask his permission to feature them on my website, several years back…

I’ve yet to share them here…and now is a fine time to do so, since you reminded me about them.


…Few Equal Opportunities For Us…


…Pedophile, Minor-Attracted Adult or Merely Human?…


…Fantasy and Sexuality…


…The Myth of Commercial CP – Part 1…


…What is a Pedophile? – 101…


I’ll offer these here, without comment…I need to call it a night, right now…

…But these are all worthy of attention…There is a lot of great discussion here.

I wish Nigel was still active.

Attacks on Observer at BoyChat…


Date: June 23, 2014

Note: “Observer” is one registered name, used by David L. Riegel of SafeHaven Foundation on BoyChat.

It is time to stick a fork in it, people…This obsessive nit picking and rock throwing at Observer, needs to end. The only thing you are establishing with this behavior of yours, is what ugly and imature people you are. This behavior helps nobody, and it degrades all of us.

01) On Behalf of Observer

I’ve done this once previously, and I’ll do it again.

I’ve met Observer on two occasions, during a brief period of time. I found Observer to be pleasant, respectful and engaging. Observer did not reflect the malicious things, which one or two people have been claiming about him on BoyChat for years.

While we don’t have frequent correspondence, I do look upon Observer as being a friend, generally speaking.

I’ve had limited engagement with SafeHaven Chat. However, the experience was well laid out and explained, prior to my offering anything to post…It got posted, no problems, just with a delay for moderation…I found the experience to be quite straight forward, and understood while approaching this resource, that it’s focus was far more limited than that of BoyChat. Over all, the experience was what I expected…and I possessed the intuition and self control that allowed me to conduct my behavior there, in accordance with the boards rules and culture. Hence, I encountered no problems.

I don’t know Observer on an intimate level…We have never discussed a lot of personal stuff…I don’t know him, like I’ve known others from here…where there was daily interaction for years, with some…

When you get to know people that closely…yes, you get to know that they are all too human…and they have a grocery list of their own problems, warts and odors…[and as a side note…If you are fortunate and perceptive, then you love them as a friend, despite all of these things]…

Like so many of the rest of us…I expect that Observer has gotten closer to some people, than the rest of us…And as the mutual exposure mixed on, personalities did not always mesh together so perfectly…Heads sometimes butted…and someone stormed off, with a vendetta.

I’m not at liberty to start rattling off, what bits of information I have gleaned from the many years of attacks on Observer…But suffice it to say…I figured out, that a young, unnamed, ambitious researcher linked up with Observer [to one degree or another]…and the two of them apparently had different visions, of what they were going to be doing together…

They parted ways…the unnamed researcher embittered…Claims were made, Observer tried to control and manipulate their career…

As things have continued on…claims of this unnamed researcher now getting overshadowed by the efforts of Observer, have been surfacing…

Observer is [and has been for years] being characterized as incompetent, and as someone providing garbage material for publishers, so that publishers can avoid accepting the unnamed researchers work.

…Mind you…Observer took up his efforts most stringently, at a time when progress in this field had fallen off the edge of a cliff…Observer was well invested…His motives are very clear, and blatantly understandable. Observer cannot be faulted, in pressing forward into the abyss. Like so many of us, Observer was just doing something, what he could, to attempt bettering this world.

I look at the relentless bludgeoning of Observer, as one of the single most disgraceful spectacles in BoyChats history. This is what happens, when someone steps forward and does something concrete in this world…And this type of behavior, is at the crux of why we will remain in the gutters of society…for the foreseeable future.

Observer may not be perfect…but his open actions on this board over the years, have not supported this contention that “Observer is impossible to work with”. In fact, I would say they have overwhelmingly dispelled this accusation.

The only person [or persons] who seem to be unable to work with Observer…are those who show up here with throw away nicks, behaving belligerently and clearly trying to constantly pick a fight…

…a burdensome, pathetic, embarrassing spectacle, which has been mercilessly dragging on for…over a decade, now?…I don’t even know how long…an insanely long time. Most people would have grown up, gotten over it, and moved on long down the road by now.

…Which is why this has gotten attention from me in the past…Not only has this behavior well exceeded it’s welcome [or community tolerance]…but the persons behind it cant seem to take a clue, and are obviously [in a painfully stark way] intent on propagating sociopathic behavior on BoyChat…As though we aren’t all subjected to this too much, in the rest of the world.

I can accept that people got on each others nerves, and ultimately on each others bad side. What is beyond tolerable, is this obsessive case of sour grapes and dragging dirty laundry all over BoyChat…relentlessly, add nausea…Relentless baiting and cats paws, even in the subject lines and name fields…It’s all over the BoyChat index…It is not even contained to the body of posts, where most of us who want to ignore it can.

People who chronically behave like that, are a nuisance to this community.

…And the sad thing is…I cannot even cite any instance, where most of these individuals have constructively added to building up this community. The only thing I see coming from these “throw away” and attack nicks, is venom spewing and tearing people and efforts down.

They have offered nothing to substantiate and solidify their own relevance or importance…It’s all just vague, self glorifying innuendo, that they are somehow part of the “in the know” crowd…or that they are connected to “the real activists who mean anything at all”…

I’ve seen this exact same behavior for years, out of common trolls who employ demoralization tactics. And they have offered no reason I can see, to consider them anything but trolls of that nature.

If by some chance they are being serious…I implore them to take a look around, and realize how their behavior has made them look to so many of the rest of us here…and how so many of us have been left feeling degraded and ashamed, by their behavior on this board [which reflects horribly on our community].

They may not care…They may consider themselves above the rest of us…They may think, that what any of the rest of us has to say or offer is utterly worthless…

…but social change of the people never comes at the hands of researchers…It comes at the level of the human heart…

…And all of us screwballs out here, who are trying to build social bridges and spread openness and understanding…the substance of our actions will always trump the numbers, statistics and papers which you churn out…

What researchers do may be important…but it is a universal leap, from what is most important in this world.

Don’t let your head grow too fat, just because you’ve got lots of certificates hanging on your wall…

It is always the “worker ants” who propel social change at it’s roots…not the ivory tower elites, who are full of themselves.

If that sort of elite is looking on right now…take note…I do not want you representing me in any way, shape or form…You are unfit to represent me, or speak on my behalf…and I will not have you.

With regards to any connection to me…You are fired and disowned.

It is high time for a two way road of mutual respect…If you cant muster that, then stop mucking up the path, and go pursue something else where you can actually be of use.


P.S.

…A “real researcher” who cannot manage to get his own research published anywhere [and who is curiously nameless and faceless], blames Observer for “crowding him out”…because of the infrequent papers Observer publishes…

…Oh, excuse me…Observer is serving as a…”block-whatever”…and enabling publishers to get away with sidestepping “the real researchers” superior work…Boy, those publishers must be real scumbags, if they are actively trying to avoid publishing accredited researchers, and degrading the integrity of their own publications by doing so.

As a side note…even in the wake of “the Rind report scandal”…the very same research managed to get reproduced and published twice over somewhere, didn’t it?…Hmmmm…

…Does everyone else here realize just how loony tunes, bat shit insane, the whole story behind this endless public tantrum is?

It is no wonder why virtually nobody behind it, will link a name they have any vested history/identity in, to their behaviors in this campaign of theirs.

They wont stand behind what they say, in any substantive way…What does that tell you?

…And we are expected to trust this person [or persons], when we have no reason?…and when everything about their own behavior screams, “Don’t trust them!”?

If you are not going to bring it…then get off the stage.

Hell…if you are so important to research in the first place, then what are you doing here, behaving like this at all?…If you ever got exposed to the public, you would become even a bigger disaster to us than you already are.


P.S.S.

Observer is one of scantly few people I can name from this community, who has concretely stepped up and gone to bat on our behalf. Observer spent well over a year, maybe two, traveling all over the place at risk to his life and person, to collect research data…Many of us, Observer did not even know, when he met us face to face…

He could have been betrayed…abducted and murdered…assaulted…

Let’s be clear, here…There may be personality conflicts, and a lot of immaturity flying about BoyChat…But Observer has solidified his upstanding stature in this community. He has earned respect, even when a few here refuse to give it to him.

Mom is a Product of Her Culture…


Date: June 23, 2014

01) deceptive message from ‘heaven’

02) VIDEO: Little boy visits dad’s grave – and finds a letter sent from heaven

“…The heart-wrenching video shows little Gino Valentine, 8, finding a white envelope, addressed to him, under the headstone above his father’s grave.

Unaware the letter was written by his mother, little Gino opens the envelope and begins to read: “Hi Gino, thank you for coming to see me on Father’s Day…”

I generally take a dim view of this sort of thing…I want to be a little bit sympathetic, though.

The mother is a product of her environment, like anybody else. Obviously, a considerable portion of those in that environment subscribe to, and reaffirm, notions of consciousness transcending and surviving death.

This is fairly typical, no matter where you go.

It is weird to lie to someone in this specific kind of way, though…

…Falsely assuming the identity of a deceased individual, in order to make someone else that presumably had a close relationship with that individual feel good…special…loved…or whatever…that kind of behavior is a very heavy, deep and personal deception.

This kid is going to go brag, with excitement, to his friends and others…that “Daddy sent me a message from heaven”…And his bubble is going to eventually get burst.

Maybe a lot of people will play along…It might even go on for years…But I seriously have reservations, over any notion that a boy deprived of his own father, will take the news of this deception in any way similar to finding out there is no Santa.

This is just a place mom [or is it “mum”, in this case?] should not have treaded…She is setting up herself and her son, for some unkind issues later down the road.

Honesty is generally the best policy, when it comes to death.

This story reminds me a little bit…of the time I came back from Christmas break…and my third grade best friend informed us all…this year, all his presents “came from jesus”…because that is the way his parents made up the tags on the gifts…

Mind you…we weren’t complete dorks…and he knew just like the rest of us…that his parents were behind it all…Even in that kind of sheltered, programmed environment…we knew jesus did not leave Christmas presents under the tree…and that physical contact [or verbal, or…] with jesus, was not to be expected…nor looked upon uncritically…even if we were conditioned, to believe jesus was a living, sentient being.

That kid is really young, though…And we had had a few more years, to develop some critical reasoning.