Date: February 24, 2017
01) Milo, Spino and Prudence
What I Like:
Sargon…I like that you have the capacity to think deeper, to search for deeper meaning…and the integrity, to outwardly say what is on your mind…and to do so in a clear, self composed manner.
This is highly refreshing, and invigorating…And with this kind of offering, here…you provide precisely the kind of thing I love to delve into.
…And your viewpoint, Sargon, and how you talk about this issue, is likewise tainted by the way you have been raised, by your own experience [or lack their of], and by the bias of what culture you grew up in.
“Tainted” is a rather loaded term, when used here.
Even if we agreed to use it…so what?
…It’s just slapping a loaded label, on top of a different world and social view on human sexuality…Just another tactic, to make it sound diminished and corrupt…when there has been no justification, in representing it such a way.
A question should be posed here…
Personal agency has been lost…yes…
…But do you comprehend, that in many of these cases…the agency lost, was the legal and socially approved ability to consent to a sexual relationship one wanted?
The agency lost is of a loss of personal control, over one’s body and sexuality…yes…
…But you, like most, seem to keep falling back to the default…of blaming this aggression and theft, upon the older partner in the relationship…when you have utterly no justification in doing that.
True existence of personal agency, demands that personal viewpoint, attraction and choice be respected by all [at least to the extent, that they don’t prohibitively interfere]…If the state, or other actors, strip individuals of the ability to express or experience these things…then personal agency has already been stolen from the individual.
The Trappings of “Molestation”:
You, Sargon, are still clearly caught up in the trappings of socially imposed “victimhood”…and loaded terms like “molestation” and “sexual assault”…both of which are distorted, in the manner they often get used.
As was used in this case…they are used to inhibit boys [teens] and men, from getting together for sexual relations…
…It’s a form of social bigotry…It’s not about saving boys.
When We Like and Value Our Experience:
This is quite an inconvenience for the establishment…and the primary reason why they don’t allow minors to speak for themselves…and why they badger and bully, those who attempt to.
So many people out there believe, that this isn’t supposed to happen…that we are never going to naturally do these things, for our own reasons and our own fulfillment…
…And they are dead wrong.
How to explain this to you?…
…Here is a personal perspective…
I am homosexual…and as far back as I can remember…I always have been.
…Yet, I’ve never had sexual relations with another male.
It’s personally complicated…and I don’t wish to pursue it, at this point in my life…What is legal, is scarcely interesting…What is illegal, is socially perilous…And I’m not up to the effort and commitment.
…But there was a long, long portion of my life, when I was starving for it…when I was young, and this is simply what sexual excitement and sexual fulfillment are to me.
Oh…I had a few fun experiences, with girls…It was heterosexual…They were worthwhile…but that was not the fundamental me…That was a transient exploration, along the way…to what would have been my natural destination.
…Almost half a century old…and I’ve never arrived at my destination…I’ve only lived a life, under this fucked up social cloud…an endless flow of ignorant mouths, trying to tell me who and what I am…and constantly threatening me, for being different from them.
…These people don’t even know me…I’ve done nothing sexually, for which any reasonable mind would condemn me.
I just know…that after a sexually moral life…bending over backwards, catering to social phobia by willingly impoverishing my own human needs…there hasn’t even been the concession by society, of acknowledging what this has fundamentally done to people like me…who’ve hurt ourselves, to give them what they claim to want.
In return for this…it’s just an endless onslaught, of venom, threats, abuse, attempts at tormenting…and being victimized by censorship.
Aside from the fact that I’ve never gone to prison [which I can see as nothing more than state sponsored terrorism]…there has been no net benefit to my life and existence, in playing by the rules of this warped game, of human sexual politics.
…The “up” side…is avoiding prison, or being murdered…
…How monumentally fucked up is that, Sargon?
…And it is all so disconnected, from any objective assessment of what is actually going on in the world…and of what such a sexual relationship, would actually consist of.
See…People like me [who view our sexuality in a positive light] figured out a long time ago…that when we are objectively doing no harm, and yet they continue to punish and abuse us…what the aggressors claim to be after, is not what they are truthfully after.
When they have to construct a house of cards, and make up lies about us just so they can keep attacking us…they have an agenda, which falls outside of what they are claiming it is.
I have a fundamental human need, I have been deprived of…It is something [a freedom and experience] central, to completing the fulfillment of my life…
…I will likely never have this fundamental thing, which virtually everybody else takes for granted in their own lives…
…And I’m hated, for even pointing out the fact of this state of things.
I’ve lived a life playing by the social rules…weathering the brunt of abuse and injury…and I’m still hated and reviled, no matter what I do…but especially when I step forward, in the capacity of a social peacemaker.
I’ve been out here doing this general type of thing, for almost twenty years…
…You “normal” people cannot even fathom, the sorts of hell you put us through.
What is just as insane…is trying to force us to accept your narrative on human sexuality…even when your narrative is clearly a lie.
Even in the face of us seeing the lie…you want us to agree with the lie, in order to perpetuate and sustain the lie…because you want this lie, to be fundamental in how society is structured.
You know…I wanted the ability to honestly live my life, share enriching experiences with others…and even make my mistakes along the way…You know…the ability to be human, and have a full human life…But so much of this has been stripped of me, right from the start.
At this point in my life…it means everything to me, that others in this world have inhibited my ability to peacefully and joyfully live with those who would accept me…
…It means everything to me, that those aggressors continue to wreak this destruction, upon so called sexual undesirables.
It’s all rooted in their own phobia…that somehow, humankind will crash and burn, if they afford intergenerational sexuality a little bit of common sense tolerance.
That broken logic, is a slap in the face.
But to bring this back around to the original point…A lot of people would call me a child sex abuse victim…despite that the experience was not traumatic, and I look back upon it quite fondly.
In fact…I kick myself today, for not having pursued it more, myself…The few experiences I had, could have been multiple times more…And that would have been nice.
If we were going to cross that line…we might as well have made the most of it.
Please save your pity, Sargon. People who had good experiences, are not to be pitied…They are to be celebrated.
If you want to pity us for anything…pity the fact that we have been cruelly denied the ability, to express our own honest cognition outwardly…and denied the ability to celebrate what has given our lives meaning.
People like us [sexual outcasts]…our very humanity [and what allows people to empathize with us] has been wiped clean from social consciousness…and there are terrible, inhumane consequences, that flow from this social disconnect…That is the only ground here, on which pity is justified.
But instead of pity…a lot of us prefer you would understand what is going on, become just as outraged as we are…and fight back against the true problem taking place.
A Coping Mechanism:
…I’m not sure what’s so offensive, about affording someone else the right to their own cognition, without constantly second guessing them…or dismissing the validity, of where their judgment of their own life experiences has led them…
In fact…it’s extremely insulting and demeaning, for you to talk about people with that past, in this way.
…This judgment is not yours, Sargon…It does not matter, whether you, or even 99.999% of all humans to ever live, think it’s icky, gross and unnatural…or even the dreaded “abuse”…
The individual experiences, as well as judgments of their quality and nature, belong to the individual…It is not up for public vote.
…Sure…they claim it to be illegal…but lots of laws are bullshit.
You’re doing nothing more than parroting the mindset, of those who hold power…
…And we both know, their integrity and track record is not so great.
A person has no need for coping mechanisms, when the experiences of their life are fantastic…
…Problem is…all of you out there, who stubbornly dictate to the rest of us…that the fantastic experiences of our lives, were somehow “not” fantastic…As if you’d even know this.
…Such a grotesque overstepping of boundaries, in human decency.
You should be ashamed and embarrassed of yourselves, in doing this.
Giving a Pass to “The Abused”:
Let’s take stock of what has occurred…
…Milo is a living troll, who pokes fun at things in this world he [and many of us] see as being wrong…Sometimes, he’s especially talented at dissecting social issues, while further outraging the chronically outraged…He went on a tour, calling himself “The Dangerous Fagot”, just to have fun pissing people off, while making a point about free speech…
…A year ago, he dropped a few common sense comments about hebephilia, ephebophilia and intergenerational, homosexual relationships, that were level headed, and in line with some countries historic views on human sexuality…[The U.S. and the U.K. are not the entire world, you know?…Humans exist outside of these places that have iron fisted, sex prohibition laws…Not all places are obsessive anti sex prisons, on the same level as the U.S. and U.K.]…
Social Justice Warriors seized on this, and decided to make a spectacle out of it.
The only thing Milo even said in that segment which was wrong, or could be classified as actual hate speech…was his characterizing pedophilia as “horrific” [or what similar term he used]…As a pedophile, I think Milo should educate himself and apologize for that smear of a comment.
Beyond that…what he said, was honest and morally correct…Only mentally unhinged fanatics, should have any problem with what Milo said about hebephilia and ephebophilia.
Yes…true…we have an infestation of those exact kind of fanatics, on this planet…And most people are to timid to stand up to them, and their bullying…But make no mistake…they are wrong, in what they are doing. Just because they are here and have overwhelming numbers on their side of ignorance, does nothing to excuse them.
So…a mutiny occurred with the people who work under Milo…and he lost a book deal…And the very next day, Mr. hyper flamboyant appears before the press, subdued and looking very squarely normal…and playing the “I’m a victim, too!” card…with his long face, and looking for pity…
…groveling to these malicious fanatics…backtracking…and displaying to us all, just exactly what his words and opinions are worth…If he’s put under enough pressure…well…We see the proof, right before us.
Don’t take that the wrong way…Because I have absolutely never expected Milo to stand up for anything, whatsoever, that was socially difficult…His chosen fights were easy…and he had an army of supporters, to keep him afloat. I expected that most of it was bluster and show…that he’s never had to stand in a minority, “against the world”…and that the moment he’s isolated, his façade would crumble.
My only question is…why was he foolish enough to wade into this issue, if he wasn’t even willing to stand by his own stated convictions?
…He should have kept his meek self out of it, instead of allowing himself to be turned into what will undoubtedly be characterized, as “another cowardly pedophile advocate, publically shamed and crushed into submission”.
As the living article, with a very long track record…let me just say…we don’t need anymore of this fucking stupidity, thank you very much.
The guy wasn’t even particularly kind to us pedophiles…At no point in time, was he ever part of our movement, or an advocate for us.
Just because Milo wants to spin his past experiences as “abuse”, in a transparent attempt at saving his own ass…this does not evoke sympathy in me…There are countless “last minute converts”, when people have been backed into a hard, painful corner…where they can make the difficult and principled decision…or they can cower and bow in submission.
Milo chose to cower and bow…In respect to child and pedophile advocacy…he is absolutely irrelevant…except that now, he is a trophy for the mouth frothing fanatics.
Does Milo deserve grace, because he wants to rewrite his past statements and experiences?…
…Even if I agreed he was abused, does this honestly change anything?
…With regards to this issue and upholding it’s integrity, it sure as hell never should.
Let the unprofessional mouthy man, go off and be a coward…He does not have the first clue, of what being the standard barer of integrity means.
…And if I’m sounding a bit cross right about now…It’s because I’m fed up with these sorts, dropping themselves into our political backyard, when they never had any intention of standing up for a single fucking thing.
…Whether it’s the Gary Glitters, traveling the world chasing young pussy…or even just your typical child porn convict…We’ve had too many people, publically paraded and pilloried…reduced to a bunch of blubbering crybabies, begging the world to forgive them for who they are.
It’s time for those of us who have nothing to apologize for…to stop apologizing, to the world assaulting us.
I’m a little over eight minutes into this video…and I’m spent…It’s been a long day…I started this post earlier…There are several videos concerning this, that I wanted to highlight and respond too…I’ve just reached a point, where I am stopping.
If anything especially egregious [or relevant] is offered up in the remainder Sargon’s video, we can chew it over in the comments section.
PRESS CONFERENCE: Milo Yiannopoulos Resigns from Breitbart, Tells Story of Past Sexual Abuse:
Milo Yiannopoulos Statement
I did not know, you were this kind of a small minded bigot, Milo…I guess it’s because I don’t pay that much attention to you.