Waking Up With Sam Harris #73 – Forbidden Knowledge (with Charles Murray)…


Date: April 27, 2017

01) Waking Up With Sam Harris #73 – Forbidden Knowledge (with Charles Murray)

“In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Charles Murray about the controversy over his book The Bell Curve, the validity and significance of IQ as a measure of intelligence, the problem of social stratification, the rise of Trump, universal basic income, and other topics.

Charles Murray is a political scientist and author. His 1994 New York Times bestseller, The Bell Curve (coauthored with the late Richard J. Herrnstein), sparked heated controversy for its analysis of the role of IQ in shaping America’s class structure. Murray’s other books include What It Means to Be a Libertarian, Human Accomplishment, and In Our Hands. His 2012 book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010 describes an unprecedented divergence in American classes over the last half century.”

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4 thoughts on “Waking Up With Sam Harris #73 – Forbidden Knowledge (with Charles Murray)…

  1. feinmann0

    How interesting. Yet another victim of insidious political correctness ideologues hell-bent on demonising those courageous and articulate enough to speak truths that when voiced, endanger fraudulent agendas. He is in good company: Brongersma, Kinsey, Rivas, Peterson, Greer, Galileo, Copernicus, Feynman … the list goes on and on, and continues to go on so long as free speech is suppressed by force.

    Gotta love da Vinci’s quote incidentally …

    1. eqfoundation Post author

      Yeah, that is a great quote from da Vinci…

      People need to calm down about these sorts of things [IE: “The Bell Curve”], and stop trying to pretend that others are attempting to invalidate the existence of certain races.

      Statistical facts simply are what they are…So long as they were arrived at honestly…there is no place for outrage, or value judgments about them.

      All demographics have their statistical strengths and weaknesses…That shouldn’t be much of a shock, at all…let alone, controversial.

      It would be so nice if we lived in a world, where people understood what was being expressed, before they responded to it…And it would be a huge bonus, if they valued tolerance for diverse viewpoints…

      …Maybe even held respect, for the unsullied scientific process…How refreshing would that be?

  2. feinmann0

    OK, so I bought the Herrnstein and Murray book The Bell Curve on the strength of listening to the Harris/Murray discussion (thank you eqf), and it makes for fascinating reading. Some interesting facts such as the stability of IQ over the life span: “Up to 4 or 5 years of age, measures of IQ are not of much use in predicting later IQ. Between ages 5 and 10, the tests rapidly become more predictive of adult IQ. After about the age of 10, the IQ score is essentially stable within the constraints of measurement error.”

    Coincidentally, the age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. However, the age of consent in that country is 16. Why is this so?

    1. eqfoundation Post author

      You are welcome. 🙂

      It’s not that I think the concept of an age of criminal responsibility is so strange…I do get it…But, you are right. It is a lot like age of consent…and how do they step around the complex thought patterns going on, with the really young?

      I’ve never really bought into the idea, that kids are “just too simple, and unaware”.

      …I think we dumb down kids, and ourselves, as a cultural norm.

      …Don’t want too many people who can think for themselves, causing problems for “authorities” and disturbing “social order”.


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