Daily Archives: July 7, 2019

David L. Riegel – 1931-2019…


Date: July 07, 2019

I met Dave, twice…

…one of the scantly few BoyLovers I’ve actually met, face to face, more than once.

I cant speak to the accusations some have made against Dave…and a handful of hours, is a handful of hours…You cant know a lot about someone, based on so little time…

…But he did strike me as an entirely genuine person…and a kind person.

I do not agree with all of his viewpoints [most especially, those about Girl-Lovers]…but he was still a very important person among us.

He did more for the plight of man boy love, than most people ever have…or ever will.

Dave was not perfect…

…That does not mean, this is not a really hard loss.

01) RIP Dave Riegel

02) Are we making ‘useful idiots’ of ourselves?

“David was born in 1931 and came late to boy-love activism after a varied career in which being an airline pilot was perhaps the high point, if you’ll forgive the pun. He was drawn into research and writing in the behavioural sciences when he was approached in 1999 by an editor of the McGraw Hill textbook Taking Sides: Clashing Views on Controversial Issues in Human Sexuality for an essay on the controversy that was then swirling around the famous 1998 Rind et al. analysis, which gave survey data showing that children do not typically suffer psychological trauma from sexual contact with adults, contrary to popular opinion.

After that, he became involved in internet-based studies into the psychosexual development of boys and also conducted survey research on boy-lovers’ views and sexuality. In 2005 he gained a degree in psychology. Remarkably, for a newcomer to academic research, and without the benefit of ever having undertaken a supervised Ph.D., he managed to secure the publication of at least 10 of his papers in academic journals. Through his own online SafeHaven Foundation, he published numerous other articles and books. His website was still up and running only a couple of days ago but now appears to have been suspended.

The Dave Riegel I will remember was energetic and determined, driven by a fiercely-held belief in ethical boy-love as a power for good. While he was always more of a partisan activist than an objective scholar, he was entirely sincere, in my view, in seeking truth through scientific enquiry. He was as honest as he was cantankerous, and I will remain in his debt for the support he has given me.” – Tom O’Carroll

03) The Safehaven Foundation

[My Comments on Tom’s Blog]

Dave Riegel:

I am heartbroken, about the loss of Dave.

I met him twice, and never had a bad experience with him…He struck me as kind and sincere…if stubborn, where it came to his online work.

It always pained me, to see the way certain others in our community dragged Dave through the mud…

Very few people have stood up for the BoyLove community, like Dave has…and he did so, at great cost to himself.

I just found out about his death, maybe an hour ago…

I had my gut feelings about this, as he’s been crossing my mind as of late…I was just looking at an old e-mail from him, from four or five years back, last night…and I have an uncanny sense that befalls me, sometimes, when I’m about to encounter news of somebody’s death…and “here” it is.

Dave’s SafeHaven Foundation website is no longer online…possibly because it’s no longer being funded.

It is archived at the Wayback Machine.

See link 03.

I urge other archivers to grab a copy, for historical preservation within our community.

In the mentioned e-mail, Dave actually responded to my question, regarding wishes for his work in the aftermath of his inability to maintain it online…He expressed a gratitude, to anyone who thought his work was deserving of continued hosting and preservation.

For those who can put any hard feelings from past clashes with Dave aside [or who never had any]…I think the contents of his website should be considered open, for respectful incorporation and archival into MAP related projects and websites.

Dave’s legacy should absolutely not be abandoned.

I am going to go get a more updated copy of Dave’s website…and I’m going to focus on recreating his IBLD website, in the “IBLD History” section of the EQF IBLD website.

I’ll probably create a SafeHaven archive, as well…eventually…It’s a lot of work.

……..Sub-Blog Archive | OLF Memorial Page

Jeffrey Epstein Arrest…

Date: July 07, 2019


” Wealthy financier and registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was arrested Saturday in New York on sex-trafficking charges involving allegations that date to the 2000s, according to law enforcement officials.

Epstein, a wealthy hedge fund manager who once counted as friends former President Bill Clinton, Great Britain’s Prince Andrew, and President Donald Trump, was taken into federal custody, according to two officials.

Epstein is expected to appear Monday in Manhattan federal court.”

So…they let this guy off in 2008, in a way that largely allowed his wealth to shield him from any real hardship…and they sealed the records of it all.

02) Feds broke law in hush-hush Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking plea deal, Florida judge rules

” A Florida judge has ruled financier Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking case was grossly mishandled by federal prosecutors, who hid a sweetheart plea deal from over 30 of his underage victims, violating federal law in the process.

“Epstein worked in concert with others to obtain minors not only for his own sexual gratification, but also for the sexual gratification of others,” US District Judge Kenneth Marra wrote in a ruling that found federal prosecutors had violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act by concealing Epstein’s plea deal from his victims, who could have contested the non-prosecution agreement that saw the hedge-funder spend just 13 months in an open-door ‘prison’ for abusing hundreds of underage girls.

Federal prosecutors, led by then-Southern District Attorney for Florida Alexander Acosta, now the Trump administration’s Secretary of Labor, colluded with Epstein’s lawyers to conceal both the sentencing agreement and the scope of his crimes from victims and the public, Marra said, while victims were misled into thinking they still had a chance to be heard in court.

Evidence –enough “to fill a 53-page indictment with federal sex-crime charges”– confirmed Epstein and his employees had been recruiting girls from as close as Florida and as far as Eastern Europe to sexually service the financier and his rich and powerful friends, Marra said. Those friends reportedly included Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, and other movers and shakers in business, law, finance, and government.”

How curious.

03) Billionaire Epstein arrested on child sex trafficking charges, faces 45 years in prison – report

“Epstein’s sex trafficking crimes allegedly took place between 2002 and 2005. His illegal sexual exploits have not been a secret for years, but have been hushed up by federal attorneys as part of the 2007 non-prosecution deal. Under the deal, Epstein agreed to plead guilty to only one minor charge of soliciting prostitution in exchange for dropping the other charges included in a 53-page indictment which has never been revealed.

The victims of the ‘Epstein pedophile ring’ were kept in the dark about the deal. Earlier this year, a US judge ruled the agreement was the result of a gross violation of federal law by the prosecution, as it deprived the victims of the ability to contest it. The deal was negotiated between Epstein’s lawyers and then-Southern District Attorney for Florida Alexander Acosta. Acosta has since made quite a career, becoming secretary of labor in the Trump administration, and has denied any wrongdoing in the high-profile case.

Speculation has been rife that Epstein not only abused the girls himself, but also “loaned” them out to his influential and affluent friends, including Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz, who have both denied any involvement, as well as Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.”


04) Two of these links were taken from this BoyChat thread.

Thanks to thatguy and Enochian.

SDNY arrests Donald Trump’s friend Jeffrey Epstein, and all hell breaks loose…

Date: July 07, 2019

01) SDNY arrests Donald Trump’s friend Jeffrey Epstein, and all hell breaks loose

This was going through my mind, as a general question…

…Why is it the die hard supporters of Trump, who believe in things like Pizzagate and Q, are imagining that Trump is behind exposing and taking all of this down?…as opposed to personally being involved in it, given his own past, his character and the many accusations against him?

This has always been a really curious case of selective belief…seemingly, for no reason…other than somebody told them “Trump is taking down the pedophiles”.

…A statement I’ve never encountered any reason to believe.

If true…this case could very well take Trump down with it…Epstein is his friend…and Trump is part of that ultra rich gaggle.

How is this lost on people?

Why does president “Grab em by the pussy” get a pass, here?

He has been accused of raping a thirteen year old girl, after all.

Officials: Billionaire Epstein Arrested In Connection With Sex Trafficking…

Date: July 07, 2019

01) Officials: Billionaire Epstein Arrested In Connection With Sex Trafficking

“Law enforcement sources say billionaire businessman Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested in connection with federal sex trafficking allegations, as first reported by the Daily Beast. This comes on the heels of an investigation by the Miami Herald’s Julie Brown, who joins MSNBC’s David Gura.”

And Trump has known this guy, and about his interests, for how many decades?…

…And Trump has done, or said, nothing in all this time?

Apparently, the two are good friends.

…Why, again, is it that people imagine Trump wants this exposed?

…That does not seem to make any sense, at all.

It opens up so many questions about Trump, himself.

Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein Indicted On Charges Of Sex Trafficking Minor:

An ephebophile [not a pedophile] who pays teenage females for sexual contacts…and likely pays them quite well, given that they stuck around for so long, and got other teenage females involved.