“When do we deploy troops to Australia? When do we invade Australia and free an oppressed people who are suffering under a totalitarian regime? When do we spend trillions of dollars to spread democracy in Australia?” she asked.
01) MUST WATCH!!! WIKILEAKS #PIZZAGATE (FINAL CUT)
My goodness!…If 4chan “uncovers” it…it “must” be true…right?…
What do you even say to that level of paranoid delusion [psychosis?]…that it demands to make a video like this one?
This is blatant propaganda.
I guess…some people will believe anything.
Incase you did not know…the BLogo, LBLogo and GLogo [and CLogo, for that matter] have no connection with the occult…In fact…the BLogo and LBLogo came directly out of the community associated with Free Spirits and BoyChat…We directly knew the people, who created these symbols…The creation of these symbols has nothing to do with religion, of any form…including those of the occult.
They are community symbols…They are an identifying icon…Is this honestly so hard to comprehend?
Jack Chick, creator and owner of Chick Tracts, died on October 23, 2016 at age 92.
01) The Infamous Jack Chick Dies
“Jack Chick, infamous author of Dark Dungeons a comic that kicked off the literal witch and demon hunting of RPG players that began in the 80’s and still persists to this day, has died.”
Who was Jack Chick? – HowStuffWorks NOW:
02) Christian cartoon tract creator Jack Chick dies at 92
“LOS ANGELES (AP) — Jack T. Chick, whose cartoon tracts preached fundamentalist Christianity while vilifying secular society, evolution, homosexuality, and the beliefs of Catholics and Muslims, has died. He was 92.”
Oh, I absolutely remember Chick Tracts…They could be extremely messed up. They were all about fundamentalist Christian indoctrination.
One church my family attended…there was this entire wrack on the wall, filled with these things.
They were pushed as a way of converting non-believers.
I had forgotten about the Dungeons & Dragons thing…But yes…During the 80’s, this was a major panic going through the fundamentalist Christian church.
A memory I’ve shared before on this…is the time my dad made us throw a Christmas gift from our aunt and uncle, into the fireplace…It was the old Dungeons & Dragons board game [Hasbro, I think]…Burnt the entire thing up.
I was a bit cross over that…because I seriously wanted to learn how to play it…It intrigued me, but I never had a chance to play it.
I didn’t realize it was Jack who started that “Dungeons & Dragons is of the devil” lie…probably because I was so young at the time.
01) PEDOPHILIA NATURAL AND NORMAL FOR MALES????????
This is someone who likes to throw stones, and lacks human empathy…He also likes to appeal to clichés and dogma…but he brings nothing of substance to the table.
…He sounds completely self absorbed, himself.
…Lecturing others about “not caring, what else is going on around the world”?…How rich…
This guy is someone who cracks open the bible, and starts dictating to people from it’s passages…believing that it is all authoritative…But how much time has he actually spent, reading the research?…reading the articles from the researchers, themselves? How much time has he spent, actually attempting to understand it all [along with it’s nuances], as opposed to ranting with knee jerk tantrums?
…Grimacing and scoffing, does not constitute a rebuttal…It only clarifies that you are a thrower of tantrums.
This guy is throwing several topics on the table, despite that none have anything to do with the original research…which he is allegedly responding to…
What does the research say?…
…It concludes that large numbers of males experience an involuntary, biological, sexual response, whenever they visually encounter the genitalia [or other parts] of a child’s body. This response is high enough, to where it is considered to be a normal response, within the male portion of our species.
Of course…many males conceal all of this, and don’t act on it…But, research is strongly pointing towards the conclusion, that it is still there in a very large portion of our species.
This isn’t really new information…It’s been known for decades, that males in particular have a natural response of this nature…It’s just now starting to make it into mainstream media.
…Does this guy display any awareness of any of this, at any point in his almost twenty minute tantrum?…No.
He asks “how is this even allowed to occur”, referencing a conference on the topic…and the [former, actually] existence of P.I.E. [the Pedophile Information Exchange]…And then makes a not so vague threat, of wanting to attend the next event “with a billy club”…
He wishes to dispute that pedophilia is loving and tender…but responds with “can you believe this?!”…
…I tell you what “Uprising”…You find someone competent to do an exhaustive worldwide research study, wherein they conclusively find zero cases of a loving and tender child with pedophile relationship…where they show with absolute certainty, with no question whatsoever, that loving and tender relationships like this never happen…and the method through which they are rendered naturally, biologically impossible of happening…
People asserting their “god doesn’t approve”, “sex is icky” or “this doesn’t fit into our social structure” bias, don’t count.
You manage that…and I might start to take you seriously…
…As things stand…you are just completely ignorant, and you don’t even know the issue you are attempting to talk about. You’re one of those people who likes to talk, talk, talk, attack, attack, attack…when you should be silent, set down and let other people teach you…so that you can actually learn something real and true…
…But, that doesn’t earn you followers and popularity on YouTube, does it?…Far easier to be a belligerent, contemptuous jerk, threatening violence against others…how “Christianly” of you.
He seemingly tries to dispute a quote about personal experiences of pedophiles, and how we know from our own childhoods, that children are not asexual…
…but doesn’t actually do so.
…He talks about “intellectual and big words, and giving reasoning behind these views”…taking none of it into account…Apparently, the words are too intellectual and big for him…They are just fine for any thinking person of average intelligence, I’d say.
You know…the very existence of the pedophile, who was naturally sexual as a child and personally comprehended it [which is my own experience, by the way], dispels the myth of the asexual child.
Those of us who lived this existence, all those years of our own childhood…we know that whitewashing people like us, is an outrageous lie on the part of the establishment…We know for a literal fact, that society is in deep, deep, deep denial…
…Apparently, some of you weren’t as sexual [didn’t have as strong a sexual drive?] as others of us…or, you just didn’t comprehend it in the same way as us…which is a fair enough observation, and would make for interesting, informative research, I think…
I know all of this is inconvenient for those of you who don’t like to think about it…but it’s reality…Maybe, you should learn to live in reality, like so many of us have had to?
If you need an invitation…I’ll offer one right now.
No…you are not allowed to strip us of our childhood cognition, nor our sexual identity…And, yes…many of us were [and are] acutely aware of our attractions, and our sexual intentions, as children…
…Your entirely lame mockery of this fact, does nothing to disprove it.
…I, for one, am amongst the untold numbers, who were not traumatized by sexual touch as a child…Being amongst that demographic, and knowing the inhumane hostility shown towards people like me…I demand deeper research into people like me, into our life experiences, and into why we did not turn out traumatized by sexual touch…in hopes that one day, we can move society past it’s phobia and intolerance, of people who’ve had different sexual experiences from “the majority”.
…Is this unreasonable?…Is this not a worthy pursuit?…Is it really so incomprehensible?
…You, are just fighting to keep a broken, anti-human social system afloat.
Unless this guy comes up with something unique in the remainder of his tantrum, I am done.
This video is bankrupt of any substance…Just some ignorant guy with a motor mouth, spouting off “what everybody knows”, who feels no compulsion to search, explore and grow his mind…He doesn’t even seem to comprehend, that he is scoffing at the real life experiences of real, living human beings…or why these real life experiences should be respectfully taken seriously…
…No…just more of the same old, demonizing, dehumanizing bullshit.
…And “we talk about it, as if it’s a misunderstanding of the public”?…
…The public is demonstrably ignorant about pedophilia, on a level which is outright incompetent…And you think you’re just going to scoff it off, again?…You are amongst the ignorant and incompetent.
…Lots of spooky, cliché talking points being employed, I see…lame…the hallmark of an impotent mind.
You don’t think that pedophilia and hebephilia are normal in males?…Consider this…
Across history and cultures, acceptable “sexual maturity” has ranged widely, based upon variables in the natural world, and variables in social politics…It still ranges widely, today. The primary factor tends to be, what social structure is dominant in any given culture. In general, people are expected to emulate one another, and follow the “normal” life path set forth as “proper and best”, by whomever is looked upon as authority. They want you to act and behave in certain ways, based on [typically rigid] ideological life phases…Many social structures do not make allowance for deviation, from their forceful intentions for you. They feel sexuality is incompatible with certain life phases, and punish people for experiencing such sexuality.
…Problem is…science and empirical research do not actually support this intolerance…and they’ve had to manipulate and strong arm research studies over many decades, to make it appear otherwise.
What males typically go for sexually, depends overwhelmingly on whatever is socially allowed…You can follow this trend, in every social culture you look at. You lower the age of consent to twelve, and when the stigma has faded away…tons of people will be openly taking twelve year olds to bed with them…and feeling no shame over it.
Of course, a massive amount of the male population experiences these kinds of impulses…They’re just under the surface…Just deep enough, for plausible deniability…but get rid of the prohibition and stigma, and we will find what the true statistics are…probably quickly.
Keep in mind, however…it does not make someone predatory, when they are merely attracted to someone younger and smaller than themselves, nor when they wish to share a sexual experience with such a person.
Offering something and giving pleasure to another accepting human being is not predatory behavior, no matter what age they are.
…It is an out and out filthy lie to call us predators, for being like this…
…Predators do not behave like us.
…We do not behave like predators.
People who viciously attack us…people who are constantly targeting us…You people are predators, by literal definition.
We “pedophiles” are not attacked for literally being cruel and violent towards children…That’s a stereotype and a straw man, based on a combination of rare cases and convoluted news reporting…We are attacked so viciously, because “authorities” in our culture don’t want children being sexually active…It’s sexual suppression…No allowance is made, for the natural sexual activity of children…They, and those who would otherwise be with them, are threatened to “abstain, or else”…
The stereotyping, demonization, constant shaming and threatening…these are all methods, of psychologically imposing not only a barrier on children and pedophiles…but also imposing a violently hateful intolerance, amongst the general population [most of whom don’t even know where fact diverges from fantasy, when it comes to this issue].
…So, you bring up and talk about your cliché stereotypes…about the nightmares and trauma, experienced by children who were sexually brutalized…But most of that wasn’t even done by actual pedophiles…And these things do not act as a true representation, of people like us…Those are cherry picked distortions you are throwing about.
We live in a variety of ways…Many of us are sexually celibate…Many are sexually active in legal and ethical ways…Many of us abstain, despite knowing that prohibition aimed against us is a sham.
We are not judged based on who we are, as individual human beings…
…We’re judged based on whether or not “authorities” think we get in the way…as they groom children into being mindless, working drones, keeping the “authorities” in power…and keeping the rigid social structure in place.
Our true threat as pedophiles, is to the establishment…it’s to the people who gain so much, in things being the way they are…it’s to the people who stand to lose their power, money and control, should this social structure no longer exist.
…They play off the fears and phobias of the many…telling them that children [and everybody] will be raped, pillaged and murdered, without their “authoritative” iron fist to protect them all.
Positive and benign sexuality has nothing to do with any of that…
…They don’t want to respect, honor and value pedophiles [or sexually active children, for that matter]…because they foolishly believe, they will never have to…nor that they’ll have to answer for the way they maltreat us.
People like this guy, are what is wrong with the world…They just want to walk all over other people, spit in their faces and beat them down with a billy club…Because they are too cowardly, shallow and self absorbed, to reach out and find peaceful solutions.
The social disease is not pedophiles and perverts…It’s people like this guy, who fight to keep all of us at each others throats.
…It’s time to kick these divisive shysters to the curb…and let all of us good, kind, sensible and knowledgeable people [who genuinely care about each other] build a better, more peaceful world.
Let the war mongers fight amongst themselves…We have no use for them.
Okay…I’ve had enough of wading through this brain numbing tantrum…And I’m only about half way through…If anyone else wishes to pick at this [it’s like spearing fish in a barrel]…have at it.
As a side note…”Uprising’s” video entrance is amusing enough to watch, once or twice…but it’s about a minute and fifteen seconds long…and it gets insanely annoying, fast [if you’re browsing their videos]…Short YouTube videos don’t need a long, canned introduction…It’s crazy to give them one…and probably most of this guys viewers are skipping ahead to the 1:15 mark, by now.
I wish more YouTubers of this sort would get a clue about such things…They are not so grand and glorious, that they need this kind of time wasting parade, to announce their arrival…
…A two to five second little ditty is perfect…and some people even manage to make those, painfully annoying to watch…
…Unless your making a commercial show…I wish the intros on “cottage YouTube videos” would just go away…They are senseless and annoying.
Oh good grief…And he’s evoking Satanism too?
I ask you sincerely, who deserves these words of vulgar abuse and hate, merely for daring to live, love and be loved?…
Have no doubt, that Child Love and Teen Love are a pure form of love…genuine and worthy of defense, no matter what some may say about it…
01) “Quiverfull” Cult Plans Arranged Marriage Camp For Teens
“The religious cult associated with TV’s Duggar family, known as the “Quiverfull” movement, is having a retreat for people who want to set up arranged marriages for their teenage children. Quiverfull patriarch Vaughn Ohlman has a website promoting marriage for “Truly True Christian” children…
…A group of ultra-conservative Christian men are planning to meet up in Kansas later this year to arrange marriages for their pubescent daughters … and they don’t believe their daughters’ consent is actually necessary.
Quiverfull patriarch, Vaughn Ohlman, who runs a websitepromoting early, “fruitful” marriage for Truly True Christian™ children, has announced plans for a “Get Them Married!” retreat where fundamentalist fathers will find, and TAKE, suitably submissive young brides to bear many babies for their adolescent sons.
The weekend retreat, which will be held in Wichita this coming November, is “designed to bring together like-minded families (and their unmarried young men and women) who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.
It’s one thing to have an important, yet passing, relationship, where perhaps parents would be the ultimate decision maker…Parents can choose where you go to school, for example…and hence, the school teachers in your life…
It puts a sour taste in some MAPs mouths when I say this…but, I largely consider a MAP with child relationship, to be subordinate to the parent with child relationship…in that the parent(s) must be in the know, and on board, approving of the relationship…Otherwise, it is beyond happening…
Admittedly…that’s more of an ideal, and something I would put forward as a social model inclusive of MAPs…And I would not judge to fiercely, someone who’s had fully consensual, human to human relationships, just because they are frowned upon or didn’t happen in the most ideal of setting.
In fact…the MAP and child [or teen] relationship needs to be shielded from the bile and fury, and judged in a pragmatic manner…Which is to say, it deserves far, far more open minded leeway, than what it is getting today.
Parents are still vital…And considering that MAP with child [or teen] relationships are likely to give way to other intimate relationships, later in life…I don’t see it in quite the same light, as bonding two kids together “for life”…and expecting them to make lots of babies together…
…Not to forget the ultra religious element, but just focusing on the pre-arranged relationship…and trying to force two people together, for the rest of their lives…and forcing them to turn into a baby factory…
Let me be clear…
…There has always got to be a foundation of natural choice and natural desire, on the part of the child or teenager…Without that…arranging this kind of a thing…it’s indistinguishable from forcing your own child, into a life of serial rape…and handicapping their horizons, frankly.
MAP with child [or teen] relationships are transient by nature, because they are not age peer relationships…The participants are in different stages of life…The elder is likely to die much sooner than the younger…And they’d not make good life partners, because of this…What the MAP brings to the table, is knowledge and experience a child or teen cannot get from age peers…It’s life experience they can grow on…Once they are done growing on it, they can spread out and make more relationships, as they grow older.
…So, the MAP is important [as are other transient relationships]…but the MAP is not someone who the child [or teen] is chained to, for life.
It’s a different style of relationship, from that of marriage…
…I really get a bad feeling about it, when parents presume a right to force their children to marry.
“Religious freedom is one of the basic rights guaranteed to Americans in the Constitution. But just how far should that freedom extend?
Across the country, lawmakers have carved out exemptions from common rules for religious groups, ranging from immigration to land use. According to an analysis by The New York Times, more than 200 exemptions for religious groups were folded into congressional legislation from 1989 to 2006.
These loopholes are meant to give church groups the freedom to practice their religion without government interference. But religious exemptions also can lead to problems, as we explore in our latest episode: Scam artists who claim to be religious have taken advantage of these exemptions, and children have been hurt.
Here are a few troubling examples of these exemptions, several of which you can hear about in this week’s episode of Reveal.”
I about fell over, when I heard that judge [who supports the religious school] reference “the child’s constitutional rights” being violated [by police raiding the school, and taking them into custody]…
…Having been a child who grew up in that general kind of setting…I can tell you, that a child’s constitutional rights [whatever meager ones may exist, in the first place] are very likely trounced all over, and violated on a regular basis…by their forced subjugation to this kind of religious institution.
They typically have little to no say, in whether or not they end up in such a place…and what happens to them, as result of being sent there. They’re subjected to an overwhelming saturation of religious indoctrination, without a choice in the matter…Heck, normally, their entire foundation on which they form a view of the world around them, is whatever these institutions want to tell them…no matter how rationally and ethically dubious [or even heinous]…And they can be severely punished, for not accepting these things.
I’m not implying all religious schools are as bad as the one featured in this episode…But I am asserting, that a lot of abusive manipulation and control goes on in them, because of their very premise and nature.
It often outrages me…how people can get all bent out of shape, and attribute all manner of ills to Child Lovers and Teen Lovers [for simply having an intimate relationship with a child or teen]…while at the exact same time, religious institutions get away with this flagrant abuse and manipulation of children and teens […and even older people, of all age groups].
Speaking as a product of a K-12 religious school…I can tell you, they are a poor primer for life in the real world…In fact, they are a handicap for developing the skills to get along in the world. You grow up ultra sheltered in these environments…You’re taught to believe, think and reason “just so” [and ostracized, if you don’t], by the people who teach you, essentially, everything [at that point in your life]…They do everything in their power, to be your sole source of trusted knowledge, information and exposure…They feed it all to you, “just so”…and they manipulate you, into being scared of seeking, or accepting, outside sources…
…Then, after most of two decades…you get dumped into the real world, without any real skills [because what these places offer, is typically the bare basics of education, with a few meager electives (A massive pitfall of these places, is that they are rarely linked into any larger educational systems…they are isolated islands, with limited resources…They cannot offer, even what your typical public school can.)…and a ton of entirely useless knowledge on their specific style of theology…unless, by chance, you want to be a preacher or missionary, in that religion]…You’re not sure what to do with yourself…You’re saddled with a fear and distrust of the world around you…
…It’s just a complete and utter mess…You’ve quite literally been set up to fail, in this world and in life…And for the life of me…I cannot understand why so many others don’t see this…
…These places groom you, to be an awkward, maladjusted, fearful failure in life…
…When you’re no longer under their thumb…and reality of the world starts sinking in…So much of what they have taught you, starts crumbling away…And it’s like the worlds biggest sucker punch…It’s bewildering…It’s infuriating.
It’s like you’ve been dumped into some “total recall” movie world…where everything you previously thought you knew, is now discovered by you to be dubious…or even outlandishly wrong…And it’s completely debasing, on a full life scale…And you don’t really even know where to go from there…
…How can this not be psychologically damaging?…How can anybody believe that it is not?…or that there shouldn’t be anything done about it?…
…Getting back to societies insane, hostile reactions to natural, human sexuality…and how it forcefully imposes such unsubstantiated fear and blame upon it…I’ve found it to be the utter height of grotesque hypocrisy…that religious institutions are praised for doing what I’ve discussed here…while at the same time, the wrath of society against human sexuality [especially us taboo groups], is never thought to be unrestrained enough…
…They’ll outright make up incredulous things to say about us sexual minorities, just so they can attack us…while totally ignoring that giant in the room, which is eating children alive, and doing demonstrable damage to them…
…And commonly, that very exact same giant they refuse to acknowledge, gains power and comes from their own mentality…their own, social psychology…It runs rampant, based on their own mixture of approval an apathy. It’s truly sickening hypocrisy.
…Keep in mind…I’m strictly talking about how they groom you on the basics of life, here…
…I’ve not even gotten into the myriad of issues, of how it devastates you, when growing up part of a sexual minority…trapped in this kind of toxic environment…
…Allowing these institutions to do that to children and teens…is outright demented, cruel, inhumane…and as close to pure evil, as anything can be…It drives many of us to suicide.
People who imagine that children choose, for themselves, these environments to grow up in…they have no clue…
…And to suggest it’s “constitutional protection” to keep them there…or more accurately, force them to remain in such an environment [so long as their parents or guardians wish it]…That is about as psychologically demented, as broken rationality gets.
If the [U.S.] constitution cared about the rights and well being of [U.S.] children…it would never allow these religious institutions, to do all of these deeply destructive and injurious things to [U.S.] children…
…But hey…they’re way to busy worrying about children of the world, getting to much physical intimacy…to ever worry about such real world problems, that inflict real world injury on real world children [who have to live with the aftermath]…
…Some social agendas are more profitable, than others…Some are more politically correct, than others…Some are more easy as ideological tools, to force social engineering…
…Some are just the unlucky, “odd men out”.
…I wish humans would pry their collective head from their collective behind…stop lying to themselves, and figure out which things honestly matter the most…what is most fundamentally important…
…Incase you haven’t figured it out yet…Invisible creatures in the sky, who hate us being sexually kind and intimate with each other [amongst all sorts of other character traits], and who wish us to hate ourselves and/or be killed for such natural inclinations…those should never, ever, ever, ever, be any part of a list…regarding what we need, for a healthy world.
01) ‘How the hell do you sleep at night?’ Salon blasted for ‘trying to mainstream pedophilia’ – The Twitchy Staff
02) Responses to Salon on Twitter
I agree with Todd…What we are seeing here, is the effects of psychological infantilizing…which produces many people, who you cannot even communicate intelligently with.
The Todd Nickerson Salon article fallout, is a prime example of total comprehension shutdown…and attempted strangulation, against dialogue which is at least a step in the general right direction [something which is so painfully rare, in this field].
You can check out the two links…and the responses…
It’s mostly a sea of hyperbole…lots of people who didn’t likely even read the article, and never even dreamed of looking closer at the tenants of Virtuous Pedophiles…
…If they had done such…they’d at least know VP does not support sexual contact with minors, nor child pornography…They are pronouncedly against these things.
VP members can correct me, if they feel they must…but from what I’ve seen…their mission is two fold…
…They wish to stop sexual assault and abuse on children…and they wish to make the life existence of “pedophiles” [MAPs] bearable, supported, stable, ethical and legal.
Both of these are objectively good [even if not everybody agrees with the nuances of their stances].
The only people out there in the mainstream masses, who could possibly object to these things…are those who harbor an inhumane, homicidal cruelty towards “pedophiles” [MAPs]…
…And frankly…those who don’t even understand who we are, as a demographic…nor the issues surrounding and affecting us…even though many of these people falsely believe that they do know, “all that they need to know”.
…What they know, is rarely nothing more than grotesque ignorance…And it is a pitiful disgrace, that they are making these types of reactions, based upon such pitiful lack of coherent knowledge.
What you are seeing here…is unbridled emotion…It is hysterics.
…And it really brings to light, why so many of us hate dealing with “the masses”…
…What they are saying, is not based in objective reality…Their heads are not engaged in objective reality…And they barrage you, in large [even massive] packs…often with an outright vicious onslaught.
Their effect…is often intimidation…and deliberate hijacking of an issue…or of an attempt at constructive dialogue.
Notice how so few of the commentators on the massive Twitter feed, fail in being absolutely wrong [and indefensibly so] in their characterization of the article, itself.
…They don’t even display a working comprehension, on what just got discussed…despite that it was laid out for them, very simply.
VP has got to be one of the least socially controversial “pedophile” [MAP] groups out there…So much so, they pretty much mirror popular public sentiment, on issues involving children and sex…Their only divergence I can see, is that they don’t accept the many inhumane ways in which society abuses “pedophiles” [MAPs]…
…Their reasons for taking this divergent stance, are well explained, highly logical…and to my mind, have always been the obvious social evolution forward.
You cannot viciously mischaracterize people…and treat them according to your vicious mischaracterizations…and expect that this somehow works out for the best, in society.
It’s an abysmal recipe, for total disaster.
…Members of VP understand this…and do so on a personal level.
They also understand [just as I have, for decades]…it is imperative that we “pedophiles” [MAPs] fight on behalf of your children…Because many of them are MAPs…and we know what it is like, to grow up MAP in this world…And looking at these responses…it is clear that many of these children, have parents who outwardly express a desire to violently murder them…
…Have you any idea what this psychologically does to a person, let alone a child, subjecting them to this over a lifetime?
The people who are flooding this kind of noxious behavior onto others, are the problem…not the “pedophiles” [MAPs].
With regards to people like that…
…You often feel like you have to put on “kid gloves”, and walk on egg shells, just to create this sort of psychological buffer…when trying to hold a dialogue with “the mainstream”…Because they prove themselves, in large part, of being incapable of rising to the occasion.
…You cant just talk straight with them…because they cant deal with it, when someone speaks honestly about these issues.
…No matter the intent, nor how constructive the dialogue…they just act to shut it down.
This is not just my opinion…It is consistent observation, over decades of watching and dealing with them.
…Most display an obsession with hysterics, and a violent overtone.
Some make outright terrorist threats.
…All while remaining completely divorced, from the actual dialogue and facts at hand.
These are the reasons why I tell other MAPs, you cannot let yourself drown in that kind of a setting…You cannot let “the mainstream” dictate the pace and flavor of the discussion [you must hold that control, yourself…or only share it with those, who demand a constructive dialogue].
…It’s why I don’t apologize, for accurately placing these “masses” in their rightful categories…as people who are there to provide resistance, helping us hone our own stances, arguments, tactics and behaviors…and who are there for us to use, as tools for our own purposes.
There should be groups of MAPs, screen capturing and documenting these types of vicious onslaught, aimed at tame, mild and constructive dialogue with MAPs [and the people engaged in it].
We should have a massive database of this…have it on display for the world to see…and be demanding that there be real world consequence, for that type of online terrorism [much of which openly threatens murder and violence, in a world setting where real MAPs have been the victims of murder and violence].
We should be holding the feet of society, government and law enforcement to the fire, even if only based on this issue, alone.
What’s so pathetic…is that groups like VP bend over backwards, to cater to the dominant world view on adult minor sexual relations, held by most of the exact same people commenting here…
…They are on the exact same page, more less…Yet these people cant even be bothered, to take a little time and figure this out.
Instead, they just want to spew bile and act like lunatics, against people who overwhelmingly agree with them on adult minor sex issues…
I guess they enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.
What we are witnessing here, is prejudice and fanaticism at it’s worst…
…They cant even figure out, when they are attacking people who are key to making the world safer for minors.
01) Loose Women call for castration as punishment for paedophiles
“Fellow panellist Andrea McLean, 46, agreed with Robson, adding: “To me somehow making a robot doll is making it acceptable to have those thoughts.”
…Here we have a woman who would ostracize us all to an island [or force castration on us]…telling us what we cannot think or say…or do with an non-living sex toy, while thinking certain thoughts.
That is hyper control…hyper manipulation…It is unreasonable.
“Moore likened paedophilia to cancer, explaining that there are many different forms of the disease with no singular antidote.”
Oh good grief!…
…We get compared to a horrible disease, with epidemic levels of fatality every year?…
…How is that for a prime example of dehumanization?
Please, please, please get a grip on reality…please!
“It’s a really tricky thing…because you have the predatory paedophile, who will quite often murder the child.
“Then you have other types of paedophile who think they are in love with the child and the child is in love with them.
“You’re dealing with all sorts of different levels here and it is difficult to treat or to ‘cure’.
“It’s a sickness, an illness, it’s a mental illness.”
1) Pedophiles murdering children is ultra rare…I don’t know where she is coming up with this “quite often murder the child”, stuff. The known facts don’t support this.
2) The “You don’t know what love is”, paradigm. They think they own love [the concept and the experience], and that they can dictate who [and what circumstance] is worthy of being called love.
3) They think this is a mental illness, in need of cure [as though there were one].
Let me expound, briefly, on the third point…
I contest the idea, that pedophilia [like any other form of attraction, personal bonding, intimacy, shared experiences, etc.], is a mental illness.
Looking at the entire range of what pedophiles [actual pedophiles, not everybody and anybody who does any sexual thing with a child or teenager] generally experience [or get associated with]…the only things I would look at and raise alarm over…are those that show an active, substantive intent to brutalize a child [in any way]…attempted anal sex on a child [adult penetrating child]…forced oral sex…the forced participation in a sexual relationship.
…But those are all criminal acts, anyway…and they are practices of a sociopathic, cruel character…one which lacks all respect for the child.
That last point is key…because those things are not the “bread n butter” of pedophilia…Valuing and respecting the autonomy of the child, is vital.
Attractions are not a mental illness…even actions [no matter their nature], are not mental illness…We as a society merely attempt to classify things as “mentally healthy”, or “mentally unhealthy”…based largely on phobia of the thing itself…and based out of social friction, amongst different social groups.
Having a thought…or an attraction…even talking about it openly…that is not a mental illness.
Often times, through out history, and until this day…branding of “mental illness” is used, as an attempt to disenfranchise entire groups socially…and even to imprison them…Anything to keep them from attaining a respected social standing.
This, in my opinion…is exactly what has been happening to Minor Attracted [M.A.] people, today.
…We get branded with this “mental illness” paradigm [along with heinous stereotypes]…while almost never being judged on what we deserve to be judged by…our personal lifestyle, and our factual conduct.
When this type of behavior is being used to quash “pedophiles”…this is politics which have nothing to do with reality…it is institutionalized hate and phobia. It’s just there and happening, so that people who’ve been conditioned to fear us, can maliciously control us and keep us down.
“Mental illness” is subjective…and highly political.
You think pedophilia is a mental illness?….prove it!
…Not even the people behind the DSM, have ever been so bold as to make such an assertion.
Note: I’ve not watched all of these yet, and I don’t intend on giving a lot of critique to any of these. I did my best in figuring out what sequential order they belong in, and I think I succeeded. You may, or may not, want to watch these…or just briefly skip around in parts of them, to get an idea of what’s going on.
“These” are the sort of thought patterns which arise in some people, when marriage equality and acceptance of gays, lesbians and bisexuals starts to actually get serious…It is sad, to say the least. – Steve
01) How the Republican Party is Going Gay
A lot of self promotion from Cliff, which will also repeat itself later. Haven’t really watched this one yet, but I presume it’s the same Cliff-isms, as he decries all the homosexuals working in the republican party.
02) The DNA Deniers and Same-sex Insanity
Have not watched it yet…maybe parts…Knowing Cliff, this one is sure to go for the “man + woman makes child = marriage” propaganda.
03) Alan Keyes on God-ordained Natural Marriage
Having been subjected to entirely too many of these in my past…I can tell you, this is nothing more than a religious sermon, from a guy playing the part of the political pep-rally preacher.
Not much to see here…I suggest you skip it…at most, move the video tracker around and peak in every ten minutes or so…It is rhetoric, without much redeeming value.
04) James Simpson on Cultural Terrorism
This one gets interesting, as it goes back to what I pointed out in my last post on The Wall…James goes for the “cultural terrorism” angle, and mentions “pedophiles” as part of it. This video is sort of a companion, to the James Simpson video I posted there.
As a pedosexuals…I consider this sort of commentary to be bold faced hate speech.
Oh…and this is also the video where the term “useful idiots” came into play, which I referenced in my last post on The Wall.
This guy thinks we are all a bunch of agents of chaos, being empowered by Marxists…but apparently “we don’t know this”…and they’re going to murder us, once they are done using us all…
Allegedly, we have this juggernaut behind us, propping us up…
…Which leaves me with the questions…Where are the resources?…and where are the protections?…Where is all this benefit, that we are allegedly being given?
My scorecard tells me…that we have been abandoned by most organizations…and left to find our way forward, amongst ourselves…And I’ve been at this, for a very, very long time…
…If all this existed…one would think I’d know the “secret handshake” by now.
05) Matt Barber on the “Sexual Anarchy Movement”
…This one is short…so you might want to struggle through it…But it’s painful to watch, because Matt’s level of intellect has the depth of a mud puddle. He quotes the bible, and at least one religious leader…
This is just rhetoric…A bullheaded guy, deeply entrenched in his own dogma…It can be dismissed.
…But it’s important to keep in mind, what people Cliff thought important to have speak at this “news conference”…and what content they brought with them.
06) The Normalization of Homosexuality, by Peter LaBarbera
I have not watched this one, yet…I expect it’s the same Peter LaBarbera lines, as usual.
Peter has a seriously unhealthy obsession with homosexuals…and constantly attacking “the homosexual lifestyle” [whatever that is].
He is the guy behind “Americans for Truth About Homosexuality”…
07) Americans for Truth About Homosexuality
You can witness Peter on “America’s Survival” [at their YouTube channel, or on Roku], several times over…Where he more less repeats a lot of the same things, over and over.
I do not suggest that Peter never says anything true, nor that he has never highlighted important issues concerning homosexuals…But you scratch the surface a little, and his obsession with abolishing homosexuality is outright creepy. Further, he is just not what I would consider to be honest, when it comes to the biological roots of homosexuality.
…He thinks homosexuals are becoming heterosexuals in droves, because of “reparative therapies”…He doesn’t appear to understand the difference between ceasing activities, and actually losing a biological attraction.
…In addition to this…every time I have seen him live in the past…he has always come off aggressive, almost angry…definitely obsessed. Peter is one of those people you look at, and wonder what the heck is going on behind the scenes, when nobody else is watching.
What have I been foretelling for quite a number of years now?…
…If you don’t know, I’m one of the few people out here, who has been warning the pedosexual community to prepare itself for a vicious onslaught, which would entail attempts by some to equate people like us with terrorists…or acts of terrorism.
I saw this trend starting, quite a few years ago…What we have here, is one example of literally what I have been discussing.
Mind you, this concept of “terrorism” being marketed, can take on more than one dimension…For example…some people will claim that because children have been abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered, this somehow makes “being a pedophile” a form of terrorism by default…Others may claim, if you are a pedophile and you try to integrate yourself into society, and engage people with your viewpoints, this is some sort of “terrorism” by way of normalizing pedophilia…Still yet, we have people like James Simpson, who has far grander theories…that we who seek human rights for people like ourselves [ie: sexual minorities], are little more than useful idiots, allegedly “being empowered” by Marxist forces who are using us to create chaos in our culture…to bring about the destruction of our civilization…
…Yes…”The communists are still coming for us, and the religious people are in endless peril”…oh, how things never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever change…
A word before continuing:
I would not normally bring this sort of content here, because these are very deeply religious people, who have a particular viewpoint on “how the world is supposed to be”…and they are quite intolerant of sexual minorities. Cliff Kincaid, Jerry Kenney and “America’s Survival” have been featured a number of times on rightwingwatch.org, and they are considered to be a hate group [note: having watched this show for some time, it is mostly made up of Cliff, Jerry and a rotating handful of frequent guests, including Peter LaBarbera]. They can barely go more than two months, without putting out an episode bemoaning gays and lesbians [and of course, they think poorly of us pedosexuals, too].
I became aware of Cliff Kincaid back in the 1990’s, when I received an offer to subscribe to his newsletter…I presume [or maybe it was literally specified, I don’t remember] that this came about, because of my association with the Gulf War 91 [being a war vet], and Gulf War Syndrome. While I did decline to subscribe, I do have to admit that his was the only voice I am aware of, that was talking about the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks to come. This did pique my interest.
In addition, I also bought and read one of his books…and while it was an interesting read, it was also kind of a hard and annoying read…because it was so deeply entrenched in a hardline, catholic world view…Cliff clearly writes and speaks to a specific sort of audience…of which, I really am not a part. That does not stop me from being interested, in what people of viewpoints different from my own have to say.
Given this past primer…when I stumbled across his channel on Roku, I subscribed…
…Having grown up in the deep indoctrination of the Baptist church, I knew in my gut what to basically expect…I just wasn’t sure what level of freakish obsession I would encounter…And as it turns out, they are pretty feisty, “take the gloves off, and let the fists fly” kind of people…I more less kept watching, out of a morbid fascination…Knowing that whatever I might conceivably want to bring here, would likely only be fit for some post on “The Wall”.
To be completely fair…they do sometimes have thought provoking shows, but I would suggest, those are too few, and too far between.
With the United States Supreme Court hearing the case of gay marriage, this has had Cliff and company in an uproar [and I’ve had my own comments about the behavior of religious groups, in recent days]…and they even did a “press conference” [which sounds like it was attended by half a dozen people…or less]. I was going to just bring the portions of that “press conference” here, as an example of the ludicrous responses to gay marriage going on right now…but I also found this episode of their show…and decided it would fit well here…plus I have some comments to share.
01) Cultural Terrorism Against America
“Investigative journalist James Simpson exposed the Cloward-Piven strategy of collapsing America from within economically. Now Simpson talks about the “cultural terrorism” against America that also has Marxist roots. Simpson, Cliff Kincaid, and Jerry Kenney discuss the upcoming April 21 America’s Survival, Inc. conference, “Crimes Against Nature and the Constitution.”
I wanted to share this for a few reasons…Not only do they go for the “terrorism” angle, as I pointed out above…but they also talk about Harry Hay, and provide some pictures of his “infamous” [“NAMBLA Walks With Me”] march in the gay pride parade, after NAMBLA was ostracized along with a few other groups. They talk about his roots in the very early homosexual rights movement, in the USA…And I find these types of recordings to be a useful resource, because they are talking about factual history…and point out just how reliant all the rights gays, lesbians and bisexuals have today, are on people who were either pedosexuals themselves, or who supported pedosexuals rights and the sexual rights of children. Everything gays, lesbians and bisexuals in the USA enjoy today, originated from the efforts of people like Harry Hay…and from a movement, which considered both children [and teens] and us pedosexuals to be every bit as human, dignified and deserving of freedom and human rights.
…What makes me really, really sad…is that it is these hostile groups, who are the only ones talking about this history, as outwardly as many of us pedosexuals have…Yet, they use this information for much different ends…while the gay, lesbian and bisexual groups don’t want to acknowledge it at all…despite that they owe their existence and rights to it…despite that they launched [what they are today] from the momentum of that movement…
…As a pedosexual, I find myself having to cite and highlight people who are hostile…because the people who should be my natural allies, are too spineless and lacking in integrity, to acknowledge our common roots…And I find that down right tragic and disgusting.
Things should not be this way.
Next…do take note, how they make various comments…
…Supposedly, we sexual minorities are part of a plan to “create a world of chaos”…
…It seems to me, James does not see past his own dogma and hive mentality…Because you see…”a world of chaos” is quite subjective…And to presume that this was not “a world of chaos” all along, I think is ignorant. For those of us who are born into social disenfranchisement, this is simply a hostile world of chaos, by default…and our working to change things for the better, is a response to this chaos all around us…The chaos is not coming from us, primarily…It is coming from the culture, itself…from people who relentlessly attack us.
This really is a matter, about where your starting point happens to be…Just because recent history has catered to religious people like Cliff and James, does not mean that it was moral, ethical or right, in all that it did…It has been down right monstrous towards sexual minorities.
I’d suggest there is a severe lack of human empathy going on, if you think there is little wrong going on, so long as the culture is in line with your own ideology.
…Then there is “the people spoke”…referring to the thirty [or so] states that voted to ban same sex marriage…
…I’ve always taken an issue with people declaring what “the people” said, or believe, or support, or want…Because when it comes to these kinds of issues, where polarized groups latch onto them and make it all about “culture war”…you generally just end up with two groups…the one that gets what it wants…and the one that gets the middle finger…never any compromise or tolerance…or sympathy…things just get nasty.
Claiming the totality of “the people” when claiming we voted to outlaw same sex marriage, implies that a vast number of us are not part of “the people”…Because we voted to allow same sex marriage [and yes, I did do just that], but our voices were given the middle finger [like so commonly happens]…and we were told that “it does not matter, what we value as human beings”…
…Which brings me to another thing stated by one of them…that their [ie: Christian] voices “don’t count”…unless the Supreme Court sides with them…
…It’s always about “their oppression”, but never anybody else’s….Ever notice this?
If they have a problem with anything, it’s “oppression” and some sort of social emergency…Meanwhile, there are any number of groups and individuals, who’ve spent their lives being attacked, walked all over and relentlessly kicked while they are kept down…but there’s not a lot of sympathy for those people…for those “undesirables” who don’t fit into a “Christian world”…
…No, Cliff and company…you are not being oppressed…Your voices are not being ignored…I think we’ve just entered an era, where it is no longer thought that the religious can rightfully lord over other people…Or in other words…the non-religious and the sexually different, have rights and human value, too…These are separate and distinct, from your religious rules…They are not bound by your religious rules.
This is the whole point, of a secular government…In theory, it makes room for all of us to co-exist in relative peace.
I know there was one or two other things I wanted to comment on, but I don’t recall what they were…So, I’ll bring this to a close…with one last comment.
It leaves me almost speechless, encountering the three ringed circus of religious intolerance, responding to something as [from my point of view] mundane as same sex marriage. The question is a no-brainer…and it does not require the approval of religious people, nor their opinions on religious texts. If this is what some people need to make them whole, in a society that thinks nothing of taxing them, tapping them as a social resource and claiming to represent them…then of course, they should have their legal marriage.
…That anyone would claim it “oppression”, or that they are “being attacked”, because they can no longer throw their own weight around, and beat other groups of people down…it is just galling.
Cliff, James, Jerry…you think you’re oppressed?…
…You seriously need to walk a mile, in the shoes of someone like me…That would give you a very healthy perspective, from a place outside of your own…on just how bad true social oppression gets…
You guys are living in a privileged Disneyland, in comparison to so many of the rest of us in this world…And all you can do, is complain because some other group gets a few crumbs kicked their way?
This is the primary reason why I’ve never linked anything of yours here, before…You are just so utterly divorced, from too many of the hard realities of this world…and you cant even see your own dogma, for what it is.
People don’t need your blessing…they need you to stop making more problems for them.
I will link the sections of Cliff’s “news conference”, in a different post.
I just remembered something…
James also refers to “pedophilia” in his speech at the “news conference” he was part of…and he talks about Obama granting clemency to illegal aliens, “for the purpose of importing pedophiles, and creating havoc in the USA”…
…If I am understanding James correctly, then I believe what he is factually talking about, is the lower age of consent in Mexico…and how some Mexicans migrate into the USA as families and couples, when one or both may be legally “underage” by US law.
…In other words, they are likely not even pedophiles at all, by proper definition…and this is likely an exploitation of people’s ignorance, because they don’t realize that this behavior is normal, and accepted, in Mexico…It’s little more than a matter of clashing laws and social norms.
…And when I talk about this, I’m referencing cases like a twenty-something who marries a sixteen year old in Mexico, and then moves to the USA…where he becomes guilty of statutory rape, should he have sexual relations with his own spouse.
A number of years back, just such a case occurred…and as I recall, the man was ultimately released and the charges were dropped…which created a legal double standard, where people from other cultures could break US laws within US borders and nothing would happen to them…while US citizens doing the exact same thing, would end up in prison for years…And we don’t even get the benefit of this practice “in reverse”, should we be visiting foreign jurisdictions.
This leads some of us to believe, that US law concerning these matters, is designed to specifically make maximum number of criminals, out of the US population…and it shows us the true resolve of the “justice system”, to protect minors.
Personally…I am very disappointed that this issue has not come to a head, yet…Because things cannot linger like this…If this behavior is illegal for everyone in the USA, then it is illegal for everyone…If it is not illegal for some, but illegal for others…then this is a mighty severe lack in equal protections, and in the equality of exercising rights…and in the area of “underage sex”, of all things.
…Who’d have ever imagined, that this would fly?…or that there would be supporters of it?
I say…if anyone can come here and violate US law, claiming the protection of “native culture norms” [ie: “It’s normal and legal where I come from.”]…then US law has no business interfering with US citizens who do the exact same things, in “the land of the free”…It is creating vastly different legal classes of people.
…There is nothing at all constitutional, legal or ethically correct about that.
…And I’ve been wondering when this issue was going to come back around again, and really get the fur flying.