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This is Part of the Problem…

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Date: June 23, 2014

This is the publication nutopiansg quotes [not the actual article, but the base publication]…

…Prophecy News Watch…

…Prophecy News Watch…

…Their tagline is…

“Keeping You Informed of World Events From A Biblical Perspective…with weekly prophecy-related news updates via e-mail.”

…So, this is a religious publication, aimed at devoutely religious people, who hold a particular kind of world view…Likely, not a very tolerant audience, when it comes to “outsiders”…

…And it does my heart ill, to have to say that…As many know…I grew up amongst them [that sort of environment], as an isolated sexual minority child…and teenager…And it really had a severely negative impact upon me, over my lifetime…I spent so much of my life feeling like an alien sub-human, who did not belong…Mainly because that sort of subculture, simply does not understand how to accept sexual minorities…In no small part, these groups are built upon the exclusion of people who are different…They only understand how to close ranks, and attack people who are not “like themselves”.

…This is the truth, for way to many religious organizations…And I have lost all trust in the goodness or integrity, of organized religion…It tares up and injures those who do not conform, just as easily as it embraces like minded people…It’s the worlds oldest “good ol boys club”.

I think, the last thing minor attracted people can expect out of such a source, is to be treated with respect or dignity…So, just be aware of where nutopiansg is aquiring his “facts” from…and the bias of said source.

…the move to legalize pedophelia- child rape-CHILD ABDUCTION RINGS…

This is a few years old [2011]….

…But I’m not so much bringing this up for the discussion of the DSM 5 conference on the definition of pedophilia…as I am for what the video maker [nutopiansg] does and says in it…

You can go watch the video…Forgive me, but it is really late…and my mental stamina is breaking down a bit…So, I am going to leap past most of this content…Some of it, I don’t even remember, though I just watched this about fifteen minutes ago…

nutopiansg starts out by reading for several minutes, what Prophecy News Watch has to say about the discussions, from a few years back…and basically drags B4U-ACT through the mud…

This appears to be someone who accepts having his information processed and fed to him, by an extremely biased source…So, I don’t really expect a whole lot of critical or deep thought out of his assessment…and I am not disappointed, on that point…

…nutopiansg merely accepts the propaganda created by Prophecy News Watch…Just like so many others, who accept what a source says…because the people behind that source are expressing things, which fit their own world view…”It must be correct, because I already believe it!”…

…Woe to all else, that falls within “The Other”…

…Because that just isn’t worth any kind of consideration…Is it?…

nutopiansg carries on…stating that he was molested [he might have said “sexually abused”, I don’t explicitly recall]…and to this, I would like to sincerely express something…

It is not my place to ask you any details…and I accept, regardless of the exact quality or nature of your experience, that something…some factor, or factors, must have led you to the conclusion that you were done wrong…I cannot take your cognition away from you…and I know that these kinds of social situations can be complicated…especially given the social stigma, and the lack of knowledge and support, which so many people who experience them find themselves in.

I want to say…that I am sincerely sorry for you, no matter what the source, that you were ever made to feel like you do today…

…And people like you, nutopiansg…are every bit as much a reason to me, to keep doing what I have been doing…essentially for the past 16 years…opening myself up, and attempting to bridge gaps within the human species.

I believe…a world should exist where nobody is compelled to feel dehumanized, or degraded, over having had an experience…sexual, or otherwise. Our worth and value as human beings, is never based upon any one, singular thing we went through…or did, in our lives.

If you were forced against your will…you have my sympathies. That should not happen to anyone.

As to your contention that “pedophilia can be cured”…or dealt with…or however it is you phrased it…

…At first, I was left questioning this…what you meant…Because it could have been either a misinformed statement…or a coy piece of innuendo…

…You go on to tell the story, of “two child molesters in your town”…and of parents making a visit with baseball bats…and of them being gone, the next day…

…After which you acknowledge, that it “may be” controversial to advocate violence…

…And it became crystal clear, what your supposed “cure” is…

…It’s more of the same message of inhumane violence…”kill the pedophile”…

There is a lot of hate and rhetoric, in your video…and in what you advocate, nutopiansg…

…All the while…the actual issue, which a lot of us in the minor attracted community put sincere, well meaning effort into, went straight over your head…because you were willing to read this trite, biased piece of propaganda…and accept it at face value.

You know…I am done with watching videos, from supposedly “good, upstanding, righteous and decent” [commonly religious] people, where all they have to offer…is murderous, violent, inhumane, criminal, nasty sentiment…sometimes, even threats…I am done, with not calling a spade a spade…I am done looking the other way when they behave abhorrently, or abusively, just because they claim to be a victim of some form.

I’ve seen this way to many times…individuals get into this mindset, where they get this massive “victims chip” on their shoulder…and they think themselves licensed to spout off all sorts of deplorable, horrible stuff at other people and minorities…Commonly, they don’t even know what they are talking about…but they extrapolate whatever exactly happened to themselves, to everybody else who has ever had anything to do with “pedophilia”.

They are so hung up on their own experience and what they think about that…that they don’t even take the time, to dig deeper and find out what is honestly going on…They just want a punching bag, to take their frustrations out on…So they become one of these “polite religious gangstas”, who spread messages of hate, violence and murder, against all of us phantom pedophiles out here…

…Oh, but they’re still “good hearted and decent, wonderful people”…

Of course…that is all based upon a foundation, where they get to run us underground, censor our voices…and socially frame our existence, in the most deplorable way they please…at their own leisure.

You see…this is a massive part of the problem…people always trying to define others, in ways which dehumanize them…and in ways which allow them, to attack without limits…without accountability…without sound reason…without actually thinking or understanding, before they attack

…And this is exactly the kind of insanity…which people like myself [millions of people], have been forced to grow up in…and contend with, all of our lives…

I believe it was Cardinal Tutu, who has been quoted as saying something to the effect…that atrocities are dehumanizing to all involved…because it dehumanizes both the victim, and the perpetrator…

I not only agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly…I would further expand on that, and say that it dehumanizes anyone…to submerge themselves into the culture of hate and violence.

Many supposedly good, “godly” people…are doing dehumanizing and disgusting things, against their fellow humans…What is so tragic about this…is that this is being accepted…celebrated, even…amongst re-affirming like minds…

This is not helping anything…We pedosexuals will continue to be born…We will continue to be a part of your culture…your families…your communities…As we die off, more will replace us…We will cycle…and this whole social conflict, will continue to recycle…until people who actually want it to stop, stand up and come together…from all camps.

Until we place this hate behind us…this witch hunt will continue to attack…even to the hysterical point, of going after your own children…anyone who does [or wants to do], anything sexually taboo.

You know…I’ve survived a lot of things in my life…and it is accurate to say, that “survived” is an appropriate term to describe my years growing up in the church…

My supposedly “perverse” sexuality was one of the only lights in my life, for years…It was a source of joy…balance…normalcy…wellbeing…a sense of being alive, being human and belonging…of being my natural self, without shame in these moments…

…That this beautiful thing existing under my skin was under constant attack…that I was made to feel dirty, and as though my eternal soul was lost…that I was suicidal by the time I hit the age of thirteen…

…That is the scar which supposedly good christianity left on me…

Finding my way out of this, did not come at the hands of good christians…

…Many of whom are, apparently, incapable of humanity where it most is needed.

As a humanist…as an atheist…as a child lover…I strive for a much higher benchmark, in standards of behavior, ethics and approach to my fellow human…

I would like to invite people like nutopiansg, to join me in spreading this standard…to be a better human being.

– Stephen Lewis Diamond

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Critical Estoppel Videos…


Date: June 23, 2014

Thank you to Alain Manés [@Alain_Manes]…

I am actually quite familiar with Nigel’s videos…I even went so far, as to ask his permission to feature them on my website, several years back…

I’ve yet to share them here…and now is a fine time to do so, since you reminded me about them.


…Few Equal Opportunities For Us…


…Pedophile, Minor-Attracted Adult or Merely Human?…


…Fantasy and Sexuality…


…The Myth of Commercial CP – Part 1…


…What is a Pedophile? – 101…


I’ll offer these here, without comment…I need to call it a night, right now…

…But these are all worthy of attention…There is a lot of great discussion here.

I wish Nigel was still active.

Human Rights Watch Report: Sex Offender Laws and Child Offenders…

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Date: April 1, 2014

This is actually an excerpt from section seven, of a report on the effects of sex offender laws, authored and published by the Human Rights Watch organization in 2007.

…No Easy Answers: Sex Offender Laws in the US…

…No Easy Answers: Sex Offender Laws in the US…

The entire thing really deserves a full read…but I just wanted to highlight a portion, and share it…maybe give a brief comment.

It gives statistics from the U.S. Department of Health and Welfare…and please keep that point in mind…we are looking at the U.S. governments own numbers, from it’s own research, and the U.S. government is incredibly hostile towards many forms of human sexuality, including pedophilia…In other words…contrary to what some may suggest, I do not cherry pick my quotes from soft or generally questionable sources…Much of what I have learned over the years, has ultimately come from the very same government which hounds and assaults people like me.

…Wrap your mind around that, for a moment…

…Yeah…it is royally messed up, that they’ve known all this time [all along?]…their ruthless war is against entirely normal, entirely natural, entirely harmless behavior…and even against very beneficial behavior…

…They’re waging an inhumane war against humans, for the “crime” of having been a human amidst going about living a natural life…

…[I feel like flipping the middle finger at the U.S. government, right now]…

Anyway…On too the interesting content…

…Consensual Teenage Sex…

…Consensual Teenage Sex…

“Some of the sexual behaviors by youth that lead to a sex offense conviction and the application of sex offender laws do not involve the sort of acts or intent normally associated with criminal offenses. Most child behavior experts agree that sexual experimentation is a normal part of a young person’s development. Some of the youthful offenders who are currently required to register as sex offenders were exploring their sexuality, or engaging in other typical adolescent behavior such as genital play or consensual sexual intercourse.

According to a survey conducted by the US Department of Health and Welfare, by age 14, more than one-third of the survey’s respondents reported genital play with another youth under the age of 18, and about one-fifth had started having sexual intercourse. By age 16, over 40 percent of both sexes report intercourse, and that rises to 55 percent for both boys and girls at age 17. Child development experts agree that consensual sex play among children, including intercourse between teenagers, “is not psychologically harmful under ordinary circumstances and is probably a valuable psychosocial experience in developmental terms.”

More than one third reported having sexual experiences, by the age of fourteen…If this is indicative of a social trend [or common human behavior], then a heck of a lot of kids are having some form of sex, even before they hit the age of fourteen.

If child development experts can tell us that childhood and teenage peer sex, “is not psychologically harmful under ordinary circumstances and is probably a valuable psychosocial experience in developmental terms.”…what else can we take away from this?…

…That the arousal, stimulation and touching of a child’s [or teenagers] genitals, is not abnormal?…That it is normal?…That it is healthy development?…That it is a good thing, for their sexual development?…

The kicker here, is that they specify activity between age mate peers…as being part of “under ordinary circumstances”…But isn’t that just a social construct?…I mean…exactly what, in nature, stops a child and someone significantly older, from having an ordinary circumstance of a sexual relationship, or encounter?

Clearly…it has not been out of the question, nor unthinkable, throughout the history of mankind…and it still happens today, in some places…

What if…western cultures finally grew up, finally put their sexual superstitions aside…and finally allowed normal, healthy, intergenerational relationships to exist as part of ordinary social circumstances?…

…Should we expect trauma and injury, if it is no longer breaking a deep social taboo?…

…After all…a lot of stuff that goes on in other cultures would not be tolerated in western culture…Yet the people actually doing the activities, get along just fine while embracing them…

…And, after all…presumably these children and teenagers, will mostly spend the bulk of their sexual lives, having sex with adults…It has always seemed mightily bizarre to me, that the “experts” try to keep the young away from what they ultimately intend them to have sex with [physically developed adults]…but often find no problem with it, when they get touchy and feely with what the “experts” ultimately want them having nothing to do with [a child’s body]…

That is some extreme mixed up messaging…How do you expect them to not be attracted, to what they have such enjoyable memories of [a child’s body]…while at the same time being solely attracted to what they have been conditioned to shun [the adult body]?…

There is simply no natural line, here…despite that they try to enforce one…and this pursuit is a complete mess.

Now yes…I know, I know…it is not that simplistic…and humans will still have very enjoyable sex, even if they aren’t with their fantasy partner…Many are just overjoyed to be having sex, at all…Fair enough…

…But when you really examine this type of social conditioning…it honestly makes no logical or practical sense.

I have to ask…Is this honestly a good social practice…Aren’t we, as a society, just messing with things that we ultimately have little control over, in the larger picture?…

1000 years from now…all this socially sanctioned interference and manipulation into a person’s private life…it will all be for naught…Everyone who suffered it’s ill consequences will be long dead, robbed of the ability to live while they were still alive…Whomever else theoretically benefited, will also be long dead…and knowledge of what good it allegedly did for them, long forgotten…

…I just hope, if humans have not gone extinct by that time…that the cultures which exist will be far more humane, tolerant and intelligent…than the one I live in, today.

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Horny Children Swinging on Twitter’s Vine?…


Date: March 17, 2014

…young perverts…

…young perverts…

“A Daily Dot investigation into Vine’s content revealed thousands of explicitly sexually videos posted by minors, who in some cases may be younger than 12.”

…Why Vine really banned NSFW content…

…Why Vine really banned NSFW content…

“And their hands-on approach is missing the most obvious and urgent cases: Self-identified minors posting their own porn.”

Oh dear!…Here we go again!

Yet still, another example erupting…of young, even prepubescent kids, doing what a lot of kids enjoy doing when they get in front of a camera…getting naked…flashing “their junk” [aka, sex organs]…stroking and rubbing…maybe, moaning and panting?…having a wonderful time with mono-sexuality…masturbating, and what not…Some, no doubt offering private performances…but a lot, giving away brief performances for free…All on their own, by their own initiative…

These are todays child pornographers, by the way…incase you were unaware…Children and teens have taken over the child pornography production market, as a simple byproduct of their own sexual expression [and discovery], in the age of technology saturation.

Who’d have thought?…Just as you’re getting a lot of the classic, stereotypical, “dirty old pervert”, child porn makers out of the business and in prison…we find the void is being enthusiastically filled…by children and teenagers, who love having sexual experiences in front of a camera and sharing it with the world…

I guess…all those forced, shamed, long faced and traumatized children of yesteryear, who performed under threat in dark basements, in front of clunky old video cameras…they must be shocked, to see their modern day counterparts…doing it all, without the “dirty old perverts” to threaten and force them…?…

…You do realize, I’m being sarcastic with that last paragraph…right?

It is curious to see…just what happens when this kind of technology is placed into the hands of children, themselves…

Of course…children are sexual beings…All you have to do, is know enough of them…and this point becomes clear…Now, we have this fascinating, unplanned “social experiment”, of sorts…where children are creating and releasing their own media…and their own sexuality is making it into this media, sometimes in extremely explicit ways…at the hands of these children and teens, themselves…As in, this was their own doing…by their own ideas…and they like doing it…

Now, we have this new surfacing body of content…children documenting their own sexuality…and sharing it with the world…

I have to pose the question, yet still again…Just how long will deniers hold out, in their claim that “children don’t do this”…and “children don’t like this”…and “children don’t want this”…?…

This is proof positive, that some percentage of kids…even amongst prepubescent children, will take it upon themselves to behave sexually, and perform sexually like an exhibitionist…wherever given the chance…

…And this has now happened on how many different services and networks?…This is no longer an anomalous rarity…This is an explicit trend…Children and teens have embraced making their own “child pornography”, and starring in it themselves…Though I’m sure there will be no end of people, who shove their head into the sand and go into full blown denial…ascribing every conceivable bad cause to it, other than the child/teen’s own desire…or the child/teen’s own nature…

It is not a question of “if”…just a question of “when” and “where”…and how many children/teens you need to have, before you get one that wants to do this.

This is the reality…Reality is, there have always been young children [and certainly teens], who have wanted to be sexually expressive, and who have wanted to embrace and share their sexuality…It’s fun…It’s exciting…These are natural emotions and sensations…And these children [and teens] know this, by nature.

Of course…the busybodies, who have no valid pursuit in their life to justify their life, will be busy trying to scrub this innocent, natural and honest expression from the internet [and mobile media]…Because we cannot have children’s sexuality seen, heard or referenced in any positive way…

…My goodness, no!…People’s minds might encounter that, and escape from the rigid thought control of their nanny state!…And where would we all be, then?!!

…Let’s just keep living with the lies, shall we?…It makes us all easier to control…

We don’t really want to live, be treated and seen, as full human beings anyway…now do we?…

Not at all!!!…Let the amputation of sex from the lives of the majority, continue on as a sacrificial lamb…Commence the shaming, the prosecutions, the witch hunts and the lists…

…It’s not like we’re attacking anyone or thing, that does not totally deserve it…

…just children, teens and others, who are following their own, harmless biological nature…and nature, itself…

…boy, nature is getting the shaft here, too…

…Nature is just so horrible…isn’t it?

…Leave it unchecked, and look what happens!!!

…Something that makes moral supremists go ballistic.

See…this is one of the reasons, why I am becoming more and more adamant about getting the “justice system” out of common human sexuality…There is a place for it, if anybody is being sexually brutalized…But this issue, is no place where it belongs

The so-called “justice system” is going to wickedly screw these kids over…many will likely end up on “sex offender” registries, for life…and for what?…getting naked in front of a camera?…posing “the wrong way”?…showing their vagina or penis?…rubbing themselves and orgasming?…wanting others to see?…

Things have changed in this world…and you no longer have the “sick old pervert” caricature, to point at and lay blame on…In reality…things are much more complicated, and the markets connected to “child pornography” [production, distribution and viewing] include many children and teens. Reality is…”child pornography” used to be much harder to make and obtain…Now that the possibilities are so open and easy…children and teens are not only finding out that they like it…they are embracing it…they are reviving it…

Hard reality for you fanatics out there…you want to continue this insane war on “child pornography”?…You are no longer attacking and destroying “sick old perverts”, like you prefer to tell yourselves…No, you are attacking and destroying children and teens…and there is no way you, or this insane war of yours, is going to be absolved of this point…

I find this abhorrent…and because of it, I have never been more vehemently opposed to anti-child pornography laws, then I am right now. People who support those laws, are just chasing after boogiemen…without honestly realizing, what they are really doing…or who all, they are really hurting…Good grief!…They virtually never even understand anything concrete, about the issue itself…they’re just stuck on this very wrong headed concept, of “cowering, traumatized children, forced to have sex against their will”…when that was merely a genuine problem within the “industry”, itself…but it was never the sum total of the “industry”, itself…

“Child pornography” should have been legalized and regulated, long before now…Because that is the only way, you can honestly combat abuses within it…And it is a disgrace, that we are still languishing as a culture, under this pigheaded war of annihilation…A war driven by ignorance, phobia…and some warped sense of revenge.

It is because of you fanatic war mongers out there, who wont even set down at the table like intelligent, civilized human beings…that this remains an untamed frontier…You are not helping anything, except to inflate your own egos…You’re just enflaming things and hurting people…You are a core element of the problem, itself…Do you even understand this?!…

…I guess…I mean, common sense seems to be telling me…what I have always intuitively known all along…

…Children and teens do not universally hate being in pornography, nor do they hate sharing personal porn…Time and time again…what is really, honestly happening out there, keeps backing up what I have been saying for years…

…And the beauty of it all…is that it is the children and teens out there, who are naturally backing all of this up…

Some of us understand childhood sexuality, far better than what we get credit for…

…Does this make me some weird form of prophet?…

…No…of course not…It just means, I am uncommonly honest…

…I wish more people would be.

“Free Kate, Stop the Hate”…


Date: January 5, 2014

Kind of old news…


01) TheYoungTurks


02) News Report / Public Statement [YouTube]


03) Arrest Affidavit

04) #FreeKate? Movement to Normalize Pedophilia Finds Its Poster Girl

“The case involves Kaitlyn Ashley Hunt, an 18-year-old in Sebastian, Florida, who was arrested in February after admitting that she had a lesbian affair with a 14-year high-school freshman.”

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“According to the arrest affidavit, the 14-year-old ran away from home on Jan. 4 and spent the night at Hunt’s home where, in the words of a Sheriff’s Department detective, the two teens “put their fingers inside of each others vaginas, put their mouths on each others vaginas, and both of them used a vibrator on each other to insert it in each others vaginas.”

This is the story of Kaitlyn Hunt…A high school student, with a younger girl friend…and Kaitlyn turned eighteen years old during this relationship…leading the state of Florida to do it’s usual thing…

soil itself, over the fact that at least one of its laws on sex prohibition is being violated, by strict technical definition…and go after the older partner as if she were a predator, without a care for the realities of the relationship

Kaitlyn is being called a “poster child for normalizing pedophilia”, by some…Nice, huh?…Real thoughtful and intellectually honest, isn’t it?…

[Those questions were offered in bitter sarcasm.]

Some days…I find that other humans are working extra hard, to make me ashamed of my status as a member of the human species…And I cannot even imagine, how they can bare to look at themselves in the mirror, knowing that they are behind this sort of social atrocity…

People who are merely in loving, mutual relationships, should never be attacked or called “child molesters” or “sexual predators”, just because they are in these relationships…and it is deplorable, that in this day and age…we are still having to suffer with these sorts of indignities, and assaults on us…Assaults which serve nothing, but the egos and social agendas of the absolute least tolerant, absolute least empathetic amongst us.

What have we sunk to, as a society here in the US?…

…You know…If genuine injury and genuine assault could be shown here, I would be the last person to say anything against this prosecution…But that is not the case here…

…No…Some people in Florida are more worried, that a rigid and heartless law has been offended against [that poor, poor law!…I am sure it must be emotionally devastated, to learn the laws of nature do not universally obey it!]…They are more concerned that anybody, anywhere, is mutually putting their hands, mouths and tongues “in all the wrong and naughty places”, with an enthusiastic someone else…And they are far more concerned about this, than they could ever be about behaving in a reasonable and sane manner…To say nothing of their grotesque lack of concern, over the welfare of the young females in this case…or that they intend to send one to prison, and saddle her with a bogus mark of “child molester”…

The law is not just an ass here…it is an outrageous ass…And people in Florida behind this, need to pull their heads out of that ass…and get them into the real world…where real human beings live.


05) Forgive me for linking to this

Of course, Rush Limbaugh got in on this, also…He has a hard time dealing with the sensible and humane approach, which some of the rest of us would like to see adopted.

It is mostly just typical Limbaugh on that page…but there were a few interesting quotes cited, which Rush is trying to be alarmist [a word, which embodies his entire public career] about.

Rush dislikes, apparently, that pedophilia is starting to be recognized even by some researchers, as being a sexual orientation…I guess, he is laboring under the presumption, that this is all a matter of public opinion…and not biology [like those of us who actually are one, experience it]…

“In 1976 the National Council for Civil Liberties, the respectable (and responsible) pressure group now known as Liberty, made a submission to parliament’s criminal law revision committee.

“[…] Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult, […] result in no identifiable damage …The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of pedophilia result in lasting damage.”

Of course…Rush dislikes this, from the sounds of it…But, thank you to Rush, for including this piece of tasty information…I can make public note of it here!

Rush makes other quotes, too…It might be worth reading…or not…

Sarah Goode…remember her?…

…She approached us [Newgon and the different boards], about participation in one of her studies…A substantial many of us did take part in her research…Whether or not she did right by us [or represented what she was doing, in an accurate way], is a matter of debate…One sore spot, is that she represented politically incorrect responses as “cognitive distortions”…But, she did complete and publish her work, along with an acknowledgement that this is an orientation…and it cannot be changed…and that is valuable…It is also true.

Rush quotes Sarah, also.

Of intrigue…a caller brings up Greek history…and we get the same old line, about the incorporation of pedophilia in Greek society, and how this allegedly, somehow through some entirely irrational and unexplained path [except maybe superstition] led to the downfall of Greece…

I would like to point out something, that scantly ever gets even a hint of acknowledgement about civilizations…and that is, given enough time…every civilization [country, state, etc.] will fall from power. This has been the pattern, all along.

For some reason…certain kinds of people like to latch onto the alleged “sexual perversion”, and blame it on that…ignoring everything else…

…And taking Greece as an example…they rose to power, and remained one of the most advanced and creative civilizations of their time [who’s technology we have borrowed and built upon], as a civilization which valued “pedophilia”

So, does that mean that “pedophilia” caused Greece to become one of the greatest, most revered civilizations in human history?…Probably not, but it did play a role in the social make up…So it would probably be at least fair to say, that it helped foster a social atmosphere where such great human strides could be accomplished.

If “pedophilia” was the “guaranteed death sentence” which so many try to make it out to be…then Greece would have never gone anywhere as a civilization, and they would have been lost in history.

The caller further goes on to falsely equate “pedophilia” with the hurting of children…cites Sodom and Gomorrah…and quotes the “millstone around the neck” quote, from Jesus…So, we get another example of the modern day institutionalization, of voicing the opinion that “we deserve death”…Oh boy…”classy”…not.

So…

…Rush Limbaugh proclaims that “we are being normalized”…

For the life of me…I do not know how such irreconcilable opposed viewpoints can exist, his and mine…It is as though, we don’t even live on the same planet…

Speaking as a pedosexual Child-Lover…I have never felt normalized by outside groups…and anything but normalized, accepted or respected as a human being, by US culture.

This world is so foul, venomous and treacherous towards people like us…that I about fall over stunned…whenever I hear people claiming that we “are being normalized”…

Sarah Goode does not have any interest, in helping us to attain social acceptance for sex with children…I know enough, to where I feel confident in saying that much…The thing about Sarah, is that she has enough integrity and nerve, to openly acknowledge things about pedophiles…which are very risky to acknowledge in the midst of a culture drowning in “pedophile” hysterics.

She may have been one person who helped throw us a bone [ie: the orientation argument…which for the record, some of us have been arguing since long before Sarah]…but the way Rush is using her here, is outlandish spinning.

Does Rush even realize it?…who knows…

Eventually truth will come out…That some people don’t like that truth, is entirely another matter.

Blue Is the Warmest Colour…


Date: January 5, 2014

01) More on the mainstreaming of pedophilia

“Cinema heavyweights Roman Polanski and Jim Jarmusch wrapped up the Cannes Film Festival race Saturday, as speculation raged whether a shockingly explicit lesbian love story could capture a top prize.

The audacious French coming-of-age tale “Blue Is the Warmest Colour” featuring hard-core sex between the lead actresses, remained the talk of the town as the competition ended with two more looks at unconventional couples.”

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“The three-hour-long drama about a 15-year-old girl who falls for a French woman tracks their passionate affair and devastating separation.”

Apparently, John Hayward and many of his regular readers do not approve…Reading through the comments, there are a scant few gems in there…But this is obviously a gathering place, of people with very rigidly defined views on human sexuality…

Interestingly…I think one of the nicknames there, is the same used by a person who used to post on BoyChat…years and years ago…

Well…anyway…Interesting situation…

… The French, who have a sexual age of consent set at fifteen years, had this movie being released… about a “coming of age” love affair, between a fifteen year old female and a thirty [I think] year old female… It may be on the edge, but it is still quite legal in France… Allegedly, there are explicit sex scenes between them…

Lesbian sex is not my cup of tea… So, I am not especially interested in watching this… But I am curious, even if only to find out what all the fuss is about… It likely won’t even get released in the US [or allowed here], without some editing… and maybe even not then. If it does, it will be greatly limited…Heck, it is honestly hard to find any films at all dealing with these kinds of issues [or telling “our” kinds of life stories], anywhere in my area of the world…and that goes for even the more mainstream gay stuff…It either never gets shown in theaters, or it is here and gone in the blink of an eye…Usually the former.

Speaking as someone all too fed up with being shunted away, and shrouded by the phobias and intolerance of others…I have desperately yearned for years, that real, true to life, accurate, tasteful, dignified and humane representations of sexual minorities [including us Child-Lovers, and Teen-Lovers also], would actually become normal in the media…Because these are the stories which tell the untold sides [the reality of our lives, young and old, from our side of the fence…what it means to us, and how we experience it]…They speak to people like us…They represent us…And there are far too few movies claiming to address people like us, which are not outright stereotypical tripe.

…In many cases, it is just bold demonizing propaganda…and it is a genuine form of hate speech.

I am tired of that kind of garbage… and I applaud anybody, who actually tries to give an honest picture, of the tender love [and yes, the realities of a relationship] shown between and amongst those of us who are not heterosexual… nor part of our cultures rigid “Borg sexuality”…

My hat is off all the more, when it is acknowledged that a teenager and an adult can share in just such a tender, meaningful relationship…Now, if only we could have more than “For a Lost Soldier”, to represent us BoyLovers…That is an area ripe for a lot of fresh, new storytelling…from interesting, inventive and exciting perspectives.

I wish we were no longer forced to experience our own life stories vicariously, through heterosexual, or generic gay and lesbian themes…Intergenerational relations deserves its own category…This theme could make for a wonderful library of movies, with a wealth of knowledge, wisdom and shared experience.

Demi Always Liked Em Young?…


Date: July 8, 2013

01) Demi Moore Passionately Kissing Boy (Full Video)


Here is a gem of an old video, from 1982…

…Demi Moore [at age 19] passionately kisses 15 year old Philip Tanzini, three times over…

At times, I am just floored by spectacles of hypocrisy…I mean, how exactly does this jive, with Demi and Ashtons reckless campaign against “sex abuse” [which grossly distorted facts and figures…They didn’t even care enough, to have correct information…], that caused such a stink a few years back?

I don’t personally see anything wrong with what happened in that video, mind you…

…I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around how people’s behaviors, are so often in extreme conflict with what they say…the messages they preach.

I know people evolve and change…but how were you once this open minded, even sampling “the unspeakable” in public…just to turn into a crusading witch hunter?

…Maybe Demi is so far past her prime, that she’s having a hard time getting the cute fifteen year old boys anymore?…Maybe, she’s spiteful?

Not Exactly a Model Relationship…


Date: June 16, 2013

01) In New Zealand. Luckily, he was not raped

02) Woman, 36, bears child of 11-year-old boy

It falls well below my own standards, to get someone [of any age] intoxicated just so you can have sex with them.

It’s not that I think intoxication is evil, when mixed with sex…even though, I do think it’s ridiculous to dull the senses with alcohol prior to having sex…I think it is wrong to ply anyone with alcohol, to get them to do something which you know they are not likely to do.

If that boy was literally clueless about all of this, not responsive to previous hints or flirtations…nothing was discussed…no interests were expressed by the boy…no prior agreement and understanding existed…then I have to suggest, that the woman in this news story is very wrong in what she did.

How far do you go in prosecuting someone like her?…I honestly don’t know…but it is curious, that females cannot be charged with rape in New Zealand…And to be entirely honest, I am not convinced that changing the laws would be a good thing…The legal ability to liberally and creatively prosecute all “sexual deviants”, is a completely inhumane nightmare for a lot of people on this planet.

Part of me has to agree, however…People who fall for these “quick and easy” answers, to get what they want sexually out of a young person…they deal immeasurable damage and injury, to the image of Child-Lovers and Teen-Lovers…all around the world. They do bare personal responsibility to a wide, vast range of people, for their actions…not just to the kid[s] they manipulated…There should be consequence…and it should not be trivial.

All the same…what do you say, to a person trapped in a world with no outlet?…

…Culture plays an indispensable role, in creating the people in these circumstances…and pushing them, to behave in such ways…by refusing to them, an open and transparent alternative, where willing individuals can make this choice for themselves, without secrets or shame.

If we had a supportive, educated and motivated social structure…one which cultivates a safe, secure environment…It is my opinion, that we could largely wipe out these cases, where individuals rape children…or where they get kids drunk, just so they can press them into something they don’t want to do.

…Does this not sound intelligent or good, to anybody out there?…bringing down the true rate of sexual violation, by creating a social sphere where willing and interested individuals can come together, and mutually satisfy their own sexual needs?

…Before anybody makes the false claim, that kids are never interested or capable of such relations…you need to educate yourself…Boys, in particular, tend to have an extremely heavy interest in sex [and a biological drive to have it], especially as they are approaching puberty and entering into adolescence…though earlier years, are hardly untouched by this biological drive.

Puberty is not “the gate”, separating a child between “asexual” life and “sexual” life…It is merely the point, where a persons sex drive severely ramps up and exists on a more consistent level…The sex drive exists prior to puberty…It may be strong, it may be weak…It may flux between phases of strong and weak…For boys, it normally comes on very strong around the age of five years…This is because of completely normal testosterone boosts in the body, to promote body development…and it’s why a lot of little boys, are sexually explorative/receptive.

There is absolutely nothing new about being horny, to your typical seven year old boy…People need to stop lying, and fantasizing that the sex drive is not even there…This social fantasy…it is even attempting to eclipse the realities of puberty, and sexual awakening in kids, right at the point in their lives…where it is most intense, and absolutely undeniable…

…and it is dragging prohibition, extreme shaming campaigns…forced sexual celibacy, to the point where they are outright grotesquely incompatible, with natural and biological human sexuality as it exists in the real world.

…Today, people are punished on an outright cruel level…for daring to love and be intimate, with a willing companion…How insane is that?

To my mind…this world is in dire need of much more love…and far less cruelty…

This cultural schizophrenia…is not healthy…for anybody, at all.

“Liggins Institute director Professor Wayne Cutfield, an expert in the development of children, said boys became fertile about halfway through puberty, which could begin as early as age nine. “The onset of puberty is a lot younger than people think.”

This is a gem of a quote…And I expect, the majority of people out there are unfamiliar with this point of fact…Personally, I’ve been aware of it for many, many years.

Puberty can happen, while a child is still well within the first ten years of their life…The onset of puberty, is something which comes over a long period of time…And are we expected to believe, as thinking, rational and educated beings…that the eight year old who is soon going to experience puberty at nine, is currently living a life entirely unaffected by the onset of his/her approaching puberty?

Going into puberty, is like walking up a ramp…It is an evolving process, which makes itself apparent…long before full onset of puberty…When puberty is at it’s height, nobody experiencing it is going to be taken by shock and surprise, over the fact that they are automatically sexually aroused on a daily basis…By this point in time, that phenomena has a very well established pattern and history…They already know to expect it.

Any problem usually arises, in the fact they are kept unnaturally ignorant about normal human sexuality…Which is to say, nobody is informing them that they are normal and this is to be expected…When they need this information the most…it is typically deprived of them…Which is, yet still, another unhealthy sexual hang up…only serving to further our sexually dysfunctional culture.

On to another quote…

“As a male you’re supposed to enjoy it but we don’t say that about young girls. Males are not seen as victims. The psychological damage is huge – and they carry extra [shame] because it’s a woman and you’re supposed to enjoy it.”

It feels like an awful lot of cognitive distortion is going on, with this statement…For one thing, the real world, typical differences between how males and females experience these sorts of situations, are deeply substantial.

If someone wants to say, that kids that age are not mentally/emotionally conditioned to engage in that…I would say, that there is a culturally imposed basis for such mental/emotional shortcomings…and the issue can be considered, because it does have some meat to it…It is pretty self evident that it exists, to anyone paying closer attention.

…But if anybody wants to make the incredulous statement, that a young girl being violently raped in her vagina is equivalent to a young boy having his penis sucked on, stroked or taken into another body orifice…That is just a lie…It is a straight up lie.

For one thing…there is a pain factor, which does not at all likely exist for the boy…and a substantial likelihood of bodily injury, which also does not exist for the boy…

What injury may occur for the boy, is one of emotion and stress…from taking part in stigmatized activities…carrying the stress, of believing [quite falsely] he is abnormal…being forced into situations, which conflict with his natural loyalties [ie: having to lie about it, or conceal it from his parents while knowing they’d not approve]…

…But the sex act, itself…girls are penetrated, and have another persons biological matter, germs, bacteria, etc, put into them…When it is against their will, it is even worse because they had no choice as to what was put inside of them…If it was a stranger, it is still yet worse…and they may have to live for years, not knowing if any dire consequences will befall them…

…Boys, on the other hand, are quite the opposite…unless they are anally raped, or forced to perform oral sex on another person…acts which are not so typical. Other than these rare occurrences, a boys experience will be entirely different from a physical standpoint. He is not being penetrated, made to feel pain nor having anything introduced inside his own body…

As to the issue of older people having offspring, with people who could reasonably still be called children…

…You know…biologically, this is not so much strange or unnatural…The true barrier exists, in the fact that one parent is likely to die much sooner than the other…But as a historical fact, nine and ten year olds getting married and being sexually active by the time they hit puberty [often younger boys being paired with a teenage female]…this was common fair, even in the puritanical United States of America, less than a century back…We are only a couple generations removed, from this practice. It was considered ethical and good, by normal cultural standards. Sometimes, there were wide age differences…but it was understood, the younger would benefit from the elders status and knowledge…As well, the younger would inherit the elders wealth.

Extended families also commonly lived together, so there was not so much burden on the very young, when it came to raising their own offspring…Their own parents were there, to teach them and help.

Of the things which have stepped in the middle of these kinds of pairings…Likely the one which has held the most severe impact, is that there no longer exists any wider social structure to support them…We have all been torn separate, by this “pre-ordained” social narrative on “how to live life”…and we are all sent out to obediently perform a set of “life milestones”, on a set timetable…You are punished, for deviating from “the path”.

No…I do not see it as some “great evil”, that an eleven year old boy might make a baby, with someone much older…

…I will certainly concede, it is complicated when someone who had no intention of making a baby, suddenly has a baby…

I do not have any magic answers…but so long as a social structure exists, to love and care for that baby…then the sky will not burn and fall. Level headed perspective, should be welcome in these sorts of cases.

Basic Practicality in Man/Boy Love…


Date: April 25, 2010

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Since advancement of human culture, man/boy love, has always been one of the most logical, practical ways of dealing with boyhood sexuality.

Ultimately, boys have sex…and, at pretty well all age stages, once they have been placed in social environments [ie: school].

…not all boys, of course…but, certainly a high enough percentage of them, to where we know, childhood sexuality is a very real aspect of human life. Those who deny this, are simply not being honest…or displaying incompetent ignorance.

Kids, even very young kids, are being caught doing sexual things, all the time…and how many more, are never being discovered?

Some people trivialise it, saying they were “sexualised”…and it’s all just “mindless mimicking, of what they saw”…Yet, these same kids, typically exhibit a personal, sexual arousal…and a personal, sexually motivated drive, to do these things…

This is true, even when they lack the words, and the mental concepts, to be able to communicate these things.

We cannot deny, that sexuality is an inherent part of being human…and, nearly all humans are sexual beings…fully capable of receiving, and engaging, sexual intimacies and pleasures.

Kids are having sex.

Despite however many people do not like this…it happens to be true…and it happens to be true, everywhere you go.

This is because, we are biologically hardwired, to sexually mate, to have sexual companions, and to experience regular, sexual stimulation and release. Age makes little difference in this natural, inborn drive. It is like hunger for food…The drive is just part of our natural biology.

In most cultures, it is inconvenient, to have close relatives producing offspring with each other…for many reasons. And, it has become even more inconvenient, to simply have people below certain ages, producing offspring, at all [even though, this was perfectly acceptable, even desirable, in fairly recent human history].

With sexually transmitted diseases becoming a concern, the focus has been on preventing vast numbers, and ranges, of people…from doing what comes most natural to them, and what is a key factor, in leading a healthy, happy, fulfilled and confident life.

Abstinence does not work…

It simply does not work, and this has been soundly demonstrated, over and over. It only makes for ignorant children, who grow into ignorant adults…

…and these children/teens, are still having sex.

Something the Romans and Greeks understood…

It has always been more practical, to leave open the door, for a generous, sexual indulgence, in a safe and controlled context, as opposed to enforcing strict prohibition, through threat and violence.

When sex is forced underground, it still happens…sometimes, more than it would, if it were openly accepted…The only thing is, “checks and balances” are lost…and, generally more naive, less experienced, people are engaging in bad sex [sex that is not really great sex], and sometimes doing dangerous things.

A typical life path, for young boys who have sex, would include brief encounters, with several different girls.

We all knew these boys, while growing up…They were always on the lookout, for any opportunity to have sex. When they had not done it in a while, you might see them consistently begging one, or more, girls, to have sex with them. They could spend a lot of time, just chasing after sex with any willing girl.

When this paid off, of course…that boy would then employ his bragging rights, and notch off another one of the school girls, on his list…Of course, the quality of the sex, whether it was worth the cost [to all involved], and how much sex he got out of all this, are the questions of deeper importance.

For all their effort, most of these boys merely get a girl, who’s willing to get naked, and lie still on her back…just to let him get on top, and mate her.

Depending on various factors, that may be it…That may be the very last time, this boy and that girl, ever have sex again…but, they’ve already taken this step, and “chemically mixed”, so to speak.

If that boy is lucky, maybe the girl will agree to this once, or twice, more…and it would be a true, sexual boon, if it were half a dozen times.

The point is, these kinds of sexual “relationships”, are normally very limited [often, because the experience is not equally exciting, and fulfilling, for the girls], and for what little sexual fulfillment the boy is getting out of them, he is still taking the exact same level of risks, by opening himself [and the girl] up to STDs and infections, and maybe even pregnancy.

I come at this from the philosophy, that we should choose our sexual companions with care, and consideration for how likely it is, that both partners will realise maximum sexual mileage. I do not believe, that we should recklessly open ourselves up to risks, over a limited, sexual fling [which is what most boyhood sex amounts to]. I believe, we should keep the number of sexual companions we have, over a lifetime, generally low in number. I see pursuing someone like this, as an investment…intended to pay off, in a long term, sexual relationship…lasting years, and consisting of very much sex.

This model, is generally healthy…and it is practical, to the human nature.

People, including children, should have practical choices available, to freely satisfy their own sexuality [which is vital, to a humans well being, and mental stability], on a regular and frequent basis.

Because of the pitfalls, in boys having sexual flings, with half the girls in school…I think, BoyLovers should be seen, as a viable and promotable alternative, in addressing boyhood sexuality…addressing it in a free will, free association, no pressure kind of way.

…Just including it in sex education, saying “This is out there, and it’s okay”…giving it an aura of dignified respectability.

…and boys should be made aware…

…Yes, you can spend half your time, following those girls around, and begging for sex, for days on end…just to get a quick, “dead fuck”, from a girl who isn’t really into it, and doesn’t really want it…and you can open up yourself to various, unwanted things, for those poorly planned, scantly few minutes of ecstasy…

…Or, you can actually have a long term, sexual companion, who knows a lot about mind blowing, satisfying sex…and who is totally into having sex with you…This can keep you in regular, frequent sex, for years [as opposed to the half dozen or so, times you get it, via traditional methods of chasing young girls]…It can make you grow as a human being, both sexual and otherwise…and it keeps you with one companion, limiting unnecessary exposure, and preventing an unwanted pregnancy [providing the BoyLover is a man].

A BoyLover in a boys life, is an incredibly advantageous, natural resource, for any boy perceptive enough to know, when he has a good thing in front of him…

…This is “the gravy train”, for boyhood sexuality…

…and, hence, it is a very obvious choice, when looking at options, on how to bring STDs, pregnancies, rape, etc, under control, while at the same time raising boys to be sexually gifted and responsible…which brings with it, a host of other, social benefits.

Asked To Cite An Example…


Date: August 26, 2009

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Asked To Cite An Example…

…of open, man/boy love relationships, in countries where they are legal…

Likely, the reason why we don’t tend to hear from/about the people having intergenerational sexual relationships, in places where such are legal, has to do with a few factors.

For one, if it’s legal, nobody is [or few are] making a fuss about it, and the happy couple can go about their private business…then you are not going to tend to see them showing up at places like BoyChat. Well, maybe on a fluke…but, if they are “just another couple”, in the context of their own environment…then what motive do they have, in hanging out where very clearly, the population is made up of persecuted, sexual minorities?

Second, places where this may still be legal, typically wont be “first world” countries, there may be a language barrier…and, internet access wont be in every household (or community)…In fact, it may be very rare. They are not going to visit BoyChat either.

In my mind, it is a question of “What is the motive to speak out, where there is no conflict?”

I don’t know that I would be talking so much about even being a BoyLover, if it weren’t for my outrage, at how badly maltreated we are, over our “socially inconvenient” sexuality. If “this” orientation had been as legal as vanilla heterosexuality…I may have never even bothered at all, to join into the intellectual discussion of it…nor hung around for so long.

Thirdly, censorship is rampant…

Most people were shocked to find out, that Japan had no laws against child pornography [and it was sold openly, in their stores], until more recent years…when they collapsed under political pressure.

We don’t get fair, accurate representations, of loving, man/boy sexual relations happening within our own borders, let alone on foreign soil…The party line says, “these things never happen, anywhere”.

When people do come out [typically, years after the fact], and describe it as beautiful…they’re scoffed at, told they are sick, shouted down…their voice is stripped from them, and they are dismissed as “mentally ill” [and I have seen instances of just this very thing].

They always want to tell those people, that their cognition is never “the right” cognition…because it does not conform, to someone else’s ideas about how life is “supposed to be” lived.

These kinds of relationships are so vastly hidden, because of necessity and self preservation, for the participants.

I cant tell you, of an explicit, sexual, man/boy relationship where the laws allow it. Even if I were to know of such, to tell would be foolish.

It would open myself, and others, up to legal scrutiny…perhaps and invasive investigation…that is not acceptable.

However, I don’t see where the legality of such a relationship, is any indicator of the genuine validity of it…or any fitting account, towards it’s true nature.

Why is it important, in a world which harbors so much hostility towards sexual minorities…for us to uncover such a relationship, which fits all these requirements?

It is no more valid, than an illegal relationship of the exact same nature…and, if they are happening in different cultures, far removed from “us”…are we honestly expected to even know about them?…[and keep in mind, you are polling a fairly small group of people, here].

I cannot provide you with this information…Not only would it be foolish, but I am not a globe trotter, and hence…I’ve not stumbled across such a thing, in a far away land.

But, why are our “home grown”, illegal brands of man/boy love excluded?

It may be impossible to judge most of them, based upon what the media tells us…Yet, we still do have cases surface, like that of Ricky Chavez and Alex King, every here and there.

Clearly, there was a genuine romance going on there, between a very grown man, and a [probably at the time] prepubertal boy…

Alex, the young boy, was very clearly loving the relationship, was very into it and wanted it.

Of course, the “social inconvenience” perceived by narrow minds, dismisses this all to “cognitive distortion”…

…but, the relationship was real, to the people immediately involved.

Yes, I know…the Chavez/King case carries a lot of baggage with it, given the boys father got murdered.

However impossible that may be, to look past…does it honestly destroy the purity, of the man/boy love relationship, itself?

I would suggest, no.

We could debate, whether or not Chavez was a particularly “good” BoyLover…He clearly had his faults [like anyone else]…but, I don’t believe that invalidates the base relationship.

If you told me, that Ricky gently, yet with passion, made love to Alex’s naked body, the two were sweethearts in a loving relationship, and they were each others genuine, sexual lover by mutual choice…I would believe it.

There is enough evidence there, to support such a belief.

Now, of course…all this writing of mine did not answer your question…and, if “that” were my goal, then I would not have even bothered to post.

…but, your question evoked a number of thoughts in me, and I wanted to express them. It seemed fitting, to post them here.