Pat Robertson: ‘Let Them Kill Themselves’ In Jesus Name, Amen…

Date: June 15, 2016

01) Pat Robertson: ‘Let Them Kill Themselves’ In Jesus Name, Amen

“Today on “The 700 Club,” televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the massacre at an Orlando gay club by making the absurd claim that liberal LGBT rights advocates have aligned themselves with radical Islamists and are now reaping what they have sowed…”

We weren’t born ‘not’ to be hurt (Narrated)…


Date: June 14, 2016

01) Inspired by this BoyChat thread…

This selection from “In Self Defense: The Life and Times of An Atheist BoyLover…Memoirs and Ethos”, has been narrated by Rocco White. Please enjoy the listen, or read along if you like…or need to.

One of the primary rules in life is…if you survive long enough, you will be hurt…maybe badly…maybe many times…and that’s just part of the whole experience…It’s what makes us evolve, and hopefully grow in better ways.

I never understood the desire to cocoon people, and to stop them from knowing what life is…or what it has in store…It just always seemed like a common sense thing to me…that if you expect anyone to be confident enough to thrive in this world…then you need to allow them to acclimate to this world…and grow from their experience.

…That includes a lot of crappy experiences…It does.

…And raising the bar so high, that nobody can reach the standards of “living a good life”…or “living an honorable life”, on account of the fact that…yes…sometimes, they wont be at their best…That is something I find so reprehensible…Because there is no such thing, as a relationship so perfect, that nobody hurts each other…short of the vaguest of associations.

While some people may fall all over themselves, rushing to define us in only the most negative of lights and degradation…

…I root for the underdogs, of all ages and social status…to eventually get a taste of life, and find a bit of happiness in this world before they die…after which, it’s just lost.

…One of the biggest tragedies in this world…is all the people who live life, never finding wholeness…never getting to realize what it means, to be at a true pinnacle in life…to never taste life, at it’s yummiest…

…Like many here [on BoyChat]…I’ve also expressed anger over these limited horizons, I live under…The anger has never been because of any sense, of self entitlement to sex…

…The anger, has always been rooted in never being afforded the honest opportunity…to even just prove myself worthy of the experience…

What’s going to hurt us more?…

…The normal dangers of living a life?…

…Or never learning how to navigate them?

You people out there, intending to “save us all” from the dangers of life…You so rarely understand, the damage you inflict on the lives, of even those who you love…

…Because, you are too wrapped up in your own obsession to “save us”…that you never figured out…what you are trying to shield us from…is exactly the thing we needed most, to attain wholeness for ourselves…


Roger Jimenez & Stephen Anderson…


Date: June 14, 2016

01) Bishop Calls Out Religion Fueling Homophobia

“Several clergy members have made statements in the wake of the Orlando shooting that cite the reason why it isn’t so bad that the people killed were homosexual. One Catholic Bishop is challenging that notion, and calling out religion for fueling anti-gay rhetoric…

…“In the days since [shooter name] committed his horrific massacre at the Pulse nightclub, there has been much discussion about how much of a role [shooter name] Islamic faith played in motivating him to commit mass murder against a large group of gay men.

For one Florida Catholic bishop, there’s no question that [shooter name] was influenced by his religion to hate homosexuals — but he also says that this is a problem with many religions, including the Catholic faith.

“Sadly it is religion, including our own, which targets, mostly verbally, and also often breeds contempt for gays, lesbians and transgender people,” writes Bishop Robert Lynch on his personal blog. “Attacks today on LGBT men and women often plant the seed of contempt, then hatred, which can ultimately lead to violence.”

It’s certainly true that many Christians in the United States preach hatred and intolerance of homosexuals — in fact, Arizona-based preacher Steven Anderson openly celebrated the Orlando massacre on the grounds that “there’s 50 less pedophiles in this world.”

Read more here:

I’m not sure why TYT is censoring the name of Omar Mateen, but it seems really strange for them to do so. They’re a show that comments on the news…and this guy’s name is all over the news…yet they’re taking the unusual step of editing out his name, and failing to specify it in their talking.

No matter…

…It’s revealing, looking at what is coming out in the aftermath of the Orlando nightclub shooting.



While I realize these comments were made with heavy ignorance, against [likely] typical gays and lesbians…the fact that the term “pedophiles” was used, clarifies that this is hate speech and a terroristic message of the most heinous threat of violence, brazenly aimed at Minor Attracted People…

…It’s an openly genocidal message, supporting the mass murder of Minor Attracted People…

…And that is why, I could not allow this to fail making it into The Vile Files.

Ana asks “why we allow for that type of thought”…but, it’s clear she isn’t really even talking about MAPs…unless she thinks us part of the LGBTQ community…which is a pretty hard sell…and I am doubting was her intent.

Note the complete absence of any refutation over the blatant comment, itself…They’re treating this like the term “pedophile” [and the actual threat stated against the MAP community] is entirely irrelevant, as though this were strictly a threat expressed against gays and lesbians [bisexuals, transgenders, etc.]…

…I don’t expect Ana and company to pick up on this nuance…especially during the thick of what has happened [the Orlando nightclub mass shooting]…But there is something important here, which commonly gets lost, whenever homicidal religious people start throwing the term “pedophile” at anyone they don’t like…

…Many people dismiss it as a slur, without recognizing that it still remains a dehumanizing threat of genocide against MAPs.

Because they see it as being aimed at the wrong community…they see no reason to address the most basic threat being expressed.

This is a shortcoming in public dialogue…as support of genocide should be soundly condemned.

The only people deserving to be subjected to genocide, are those who would choose to conduct it…Leave the rest of us out of it, thank you!

In speaking to the LBGTQ community, I would like to say a number of things…but for the purpose of this post, I’ll just say this…

…Presently, you are the most visible representation of “the pervert” demographic…You are the most easy to find and approach…And this makes you the easiest targets, in this war which is really being waged against all of us so called “perverts”.

The hard truth needs to come home, that the social gains you have made, haven’t honestly distanced you so far from the social status we MAPs exist in…This hard truth has remained consistent, just below the shallow surface of your emancipation and empowerment illusions…And you cannot cover it up…nor run away from it.

…We still share more common ground, than we do not…And it’s time to stop failing to address the core threats, which are killing us all.

The people who target us fail to make any distinction…

…Those of us “perverts” who haven’t figured out the relevance in this, need to.

…It’s not about degrees of acceptability, or legality, to those kinds of people…

…It’s about murdering everyone, who is not heterosexual.

Don’t miss the other portion, with Stephen Anderson…

A vast amount of critique can be given regarding him, and his words…

…I’ll just keep it simple, and say that Stephen Anderson is clearly a domestic terrorist…[he is employing a message of terror].

The one major fault of the first amendment, of the U.S. Constitution…is that it protects these kinds of violent minded, malicious and savage people.

Free speech is about being able to discuss ideas, and having the ability to fight back when you are under attack…

…It’s not about letting people build a social infrastructure, through which they will be able to mass murder.


I ask you sincerely, who deserves these words of vulgar abuse and hate, merely for daring to live, love and be loved?…

Have no doubt, that Child Love and Teen Love are a pure form of love…genuine and worthy of defense, no matter what some may say about it…


Why Does Gay Sex Scare Modern Muslims? It Didn’t in the Golden Age…


Date: June 13, 2016

01) Why Does Gay Sex Scare Modern Muslims? It Didn’t in the Golden Age.

“Colonialism taught Muslims to be ashamed of many things, including sexual orientation. Now they are more intolerant (and maybe more hypocritical) than the Victorians.”

Very thought provoking piece, worth your time to read.


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Mistaking Mohammed as a Pedophile…


Date: June 13, 2016

What is it with all these people, who have been pounding hard on the brazen strawman, that Mohammed [the prophet of islam] “was a pedophile”?

…If you think this is in any way accurate, than you are grossly ignorant on both pedophilia and historic cultural norms.

“Pedophile”, despite how many of us have tried to claim it, make it our own, and give it some semblance of level headed respectability…is still a modern, social construction. It’s something that was designed to distinguish us from “the majority”…despite that we’ve always been a natural part of the human species…and despite that it’s highly contestable, that we are such a pronounced minority [we are likely far greater in numbers, than most people realize].

…They wouldn’t have known what to call Mohammed, simply because sexual activity at earlier ages was the norm, at that time in history…It’s not just cultural…There are various reasons for that…But it wasn’t something that would have likely been looked down on [so long as the girl reached a certain age, before sexual relations started].

There is also the accounting of the circumstances…

Mohammed pursued and married an older woman, originally [forgive me, I don’t recall her name]…long before taking on Aisha…who he was strong armed into marrying, at the insistence of her father [as part of some bartering arrangement]. It’s largely been accepted, that Mohammed did not actually want to marry the girl, and initially refused…but then relented.

I’m no expert on Mohammed’s life…and my memory is fuzzy…but, I believe he did have other wives, and Aisha was his only child bride…He had a clear preference for women, of some advanced age.

In no way does this signify “pedophile”, to me…Nor should it, to any thinking person…

My understanding of this…is that Mohammed had this marriage essentially forced upon him…and he approached it, according to the cultural norms of his time.

To the people who keep making this claim, that “Mohammed was a pedophile”…your contention is simply not supported.

You are bastardizing the term “pedophile”, in order to make it fit the circumstance…presumably, because you want to demean Mohammed and islam.

Look…islam deserves tons of criticism…That much is true…

…But the “Mohammed was a pedophile” [or “muslims follow a pedophile”] meme, is probably the cheapest, most ignorant attack that has arisen out of modern conflict between “the west” and islam.

If Mohammed had been a recognizable pedophile…I would accept that.

…Thing is…what I have read about his life, overwhelmingly points to the conclusion that Mohammed was clearly not a pedophile.

He was someone who had a situational relationship…But he clearly had no preference, for prepubescent children [which is the textbook definition of pedophilia].

If it hadn’t been for his circumstances in bartering…he likely never would have had these relations with Aisha…or any other young girl.

A lot of people have sexual relations with children, who are not themselves pedophiles by true definition…I think Mohammed is one of the more famous examples.

Let’s at least be honest about this…

…Most people are speaking out of pure ignorance [and possibly malice], regarding this.

This has always bothered me…Not so much because I’m troubled with Mohammed [or islam] being associated with pedophilia…But because pushing such a false narrative, corrodes the integrity of islam critics.

So many of the cartoons people create and spread, are not even honest to the historical accounting.


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Jim Hanson: The Orlando Attack, Sharia & Homosexuality…

Date: June 12, 2016

01) Jim Hanson: The Orlando Attack, Sharia & Homosexuality

“Late last night, a gunman killed up to 20 people and wounded 42 in an Orlando, Florida nightclub shooting. Police stormed the Pulse nightclub after a three-hour standoff and released 30 hostages. The FBI believe shooting was terrorism. CBS News has identified the shooter as Port St. Lucie resident Omar Mateen, a US citizen of Afghan descent. He is confirmed dead.

The Center for Security Policy’s Jim Hanson discusses the events.”

…It was more like 50 people killed, and 50 plus injured.

Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque – WFTV 9 Orlando Report…

Date: June 12, 2016

01) Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque – WFTV 9 Orlando Report

“The United West investigative team uncovered a story so disturbing Field Sutton of Channel 9 news in Orlando, FL broke the story on their newscast.

The Husseini Islamic Center, 5211 Hester Ave, Sanford, FL 32773, invited Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar to speak at their Mosque. Dr. Sekaleshfar says the killing of homosexuals is the compassionate thing to do.

In a 2013 speech Sheikh Sekaleshfar said this regarding gays, “Death is the sentence. We know there’s nothing to be embarrassed about this, death is the sentence…We have to have that compassion for people, with homosexuals, it’s the same, out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”

When Sheikh Sekaleshfar calls for the death of all homosexuals based on the tenets of Islam it can not be ignored, he is an expert on Shariah Islamiyya or Islamic Law.

Islamic Law also mandates a death sentence for blasphemers and apostates, does Sheikh Sekaleshfar and the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque advocate those legal rulings as well?

What’s equally disturbing is the response to this call for killing gays from Rev. Bryan Fulwider of the Interfaith Council of Central Florida. Rev. Fulwider said, “These issues around homosexuality and the decrying of it or denouncing of it by religion takes away, often, from our really important task of helping our community to be a better community…and wishes congregations would focus more on helping the homeless, poor , and abused instead of persecuting a group that can take care of itself.”

This tepid response from Rev. Fulwider is problematic because he refuses to denounce the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque for promoting a speaker who calls for the murder of homosexuals. Rev. Fulwider can’t even say that calling for the murder of gays is wrong. Fulwider concludes by adding insult to injury, saying don’t worry about the gays they can take care of themselves.

Equally as troubling is the leadership at the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque in Sanford, FL never condemn or disagree with the words spoken by their speaker about the killing of gays – silence is consent.

It would appear the hatred of gays by The Westboro Baptist Church has been eclipsed by Sheikh Sekaleshfar and the Husseini Islamic Center Mosque of Sanford, FL. Both of these supposed places of worship should be stripped of their 501c3 status and relegated to the dustbin of history.

Alan Kornman

The United West

Regional Coordinator”

Sheikh Sekaleshfar is a sociopath…and an excellent example, of what we don’t want in the west…or, frankly, anywhere on this planet.

Planet earth deserves to be free, of these sorts of predators.

[Archive.Org] Librivox Free Audiobooks: Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (version 02)…


Date: June 12, 2016

01) [Archive.Org] Librivox Free Audiobooks: Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (version 02)

“LibriVox recording of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (version 02). Read by Mark F. Smith.

In The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain creates an entertaining adventure of Middle America in the 1800’s – afloat on a raft on the Mississippi River. Huck escapes his civilized life when he arranges his own “murder” and turns back into the backwoods, downriver yokel he started as, and in the process springing a slave, Jim, from bondage.

Huck and Jim experience life as a series of tableaus as the river sweeps them through small towns on their way South. At each stop, Huck engages his talent for mixing fact with bald-faced lies to endlessly get himself out of situations… and of course, putting him into others!

Much has been written about the statement Twain is making about slavery in this book, but it’s really secondary to the story. The facts of how black people were treated in this period give Huck and Jim their license for life on the run. Modern listeners will be intrigued by the unencumbered life of the pair; they make do with coffee, fish from the river, and little else (but of course, when they do need something extra, they don’t mind helping themselves to it without recourse to money!)

Huck and Jim have run-ins with desperados and family feuds and even manage to get run down by a steamboat. The adventures ratchet up when they are joined on the raft by a self-proclaimed “duke” and a “king” – shysters both, who spend their time in figuring how to fleece the public in the little river towns. And when Jim is captured and threatened with being sent back into slavery, Huck enlists his old buddy Tom Sawyer in a frenzied, desperate, and terribly funny rescue.

I had to clip a lot of laughing from this recording at Twain’s sly, catch-’em-when-they’re-not-looking humor, but you can feel free to enjoy some good belly laughs at this crew of lovable rapscallions! (Summary by Mark)”

In observance of the upcoming IBLD, I’ve decided to bring a few classic boy stories to Our Love Frontier. I hope you enjoy these.


[Archive.Org] Librivox Free Audiobooks: The Adventures of Tom Sawyer…


Date: June 08, 2016

01) [Archive.Org] Librivox Free Audiobooks: The Adventures of Tom Sawyer

“LibriVox recording of The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

Read by John Greenman.

The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (published 1876) is a very well-known and popular story concerning American youth. Mark Twain’s lively tale of the scrapes and adventures of boyhood is set in St. Petersburg, Missouri, where Tom Sawyer and his friend Huckleberry Finn have the kinds of adventures many boys can imagine: racing bugs during class, impressing girls, with fights and stunts in the schoolyard, getting lost in a cave, and playing pirates on the Mississippi river.
(Summary from Wikipedia)”

In observance of the upcoming IBLD, I’ve decided to bring a few classic boy stories to Our Love Frontier. I hope you enjoy these.