Billboards, Brainwashing, Justice and Jared Fogle…


Date: March 24, 2015

01) Direct Download [MP3]

02) Sex Offenders Can Be Nice Guys: How Making Jared Fogle a Monster Encourages Abusers

03) TTA Podcast 264: Billboards, Brainwashing, Justice and Jared Fogle


“Published on Mar 22, 2016

Callers submit their own comments and questions for this show. We highlight the proposed “Genocide & Incest” counter-billboard to The Ark Encounter’s grand opening. And we spend more than half of the show discussing the recent prison beating of convicted sex offender Jared Fogle and the proper response(s) to the violence carried out against him. An interview with Sarah Morehead caps the broadcast.”

Thank you to @bluemonkey228 for the heads up on this one.

A few comments on Sarah Morehead’s article:

I appreciate her stance, that violent assault is never okay…and I am in solidarity with that.

I would like to add to the conversation, by pointing out that being labeled a “sex offender”, does not automatically mean that a person is sexually violent.

I noticed that exemptions were being discussed…like drunks caught urinating…teenage streaking…and “Romeo & Juliet” affairs…All sensible comments…But I sense this persisting notion, that essentially all else falls under sexually violent behavior…and hence deserves to be persecuted.

…At the very least, can we come to the understanding…that a lot of what is presently sexually illegal, is not sexually violent [as in mean, cruel, injurious, disrespectful, etc.] by nature?

…Because this is one of the ugly little truths about sex laws, and “sex offender” registers…They are designed so broadly, as to ensnare people who are half a step too far left or right, of whatever is thought to be the median of sexual behavior…A lot of people are talked about [and treated] as though they are dangerous, because their sexual etiquette doesn’t align with the majority…But this does not mean that they are [or have ever been, or ever will be] factually dangerous.

…To an alarming degree…sex laws have always been about enforcing adherence, to a rigid social structure…They are about forcing people to behave sexually, in very narrow ways…while alienating people, from their own natural sexuality. It punishes people, for not having sex in the few socially ordained ways…And in a very sincere way, it can be argued that sex laws constitute a form of institutionalized rape, against many, many people…including sexual minorities.

Now, mind you…before anyone runs off on a tangent with that last paragraph…I do make distinctions between mutually consensual activities, and ones which are forced onto another person…So, I’ve never argued [nor bought into the notion] that someone who gets off on violently raping another person, is entitled to do such…because the violent rape is part of their orientation.

…In order for sexual relations to occur…there must be two consenting partners, who are there and involved for their own reasons and satisfactions.

Sex offender registers are overwhelmingly meaningless…not just because of all the peeing drunks, streaking and “Romeo & Juliet’s” who end up on them…But because still a lot more people who end up there, were never even sexually violent [or dangerous] to begin with…They are there to be shamed and socially diminished, because their sexual leanings and behaviors are politically incorrect.

…A list which claims to protect the public from violent predators, should never be used in this way…It should not be some heinous tool, for social engineering and social control.

Many of the so called “predators” who end up on these dubious lists…are not predators at all…They’re just people unlucky enough in life, to have gotten a target painted on them by some righteous, moral crusader with power [or at least connections].

That needs to be understood by everybody…and it needs to be addressed.

A few responses to commentators:

“But people need to BELIEVE that sex offenders are irredeemable monstrous predators that can never be trusted in public again, because they will (supposedly) ALWAYS seek out new victims. It’s -important- to them, no matter what the facts show!”

Exactly, my astute friend…It’s the Cult of Crotch Politics…That underlying widespread obsession, with what everybody else is doing with their own naughty bits…or even just thinking about doing, with their naughty bits…It must marginalize and stamp out the sexual heretics, after all…The ignorant are oh so threatened.

“Do you think someone who had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend when he was 18 is a dangerous offender or is the person who has been in and out of prison for assault, domestic violence, cooking meth and dealing it to kids the dangerou offender. Because guess what, there is not “list” for them.”

Another astute observation…

…Before I came to the discovery that such a vast range of people and behaviors [including ones which clearly are not dangerous or violent] were ending up on these lists…I used to naively believe that people made it onto these registers, because they were sexually violent predators by true definition. After coming to realize that these lists are also used to round up sexual undesirables…the illusion that these lists were valid, fell on it’s face…and it’s never regained credibility with me, because things have only gotten worse.

One of the most damning things about these registers…and the people behind them…Is that they go on and on and on, endlessly…about what “predators” these people are…about how devastating their behavior is…about “murder of the soul”, and all this aggressive emotional manipulation [even over things which were mild, positive or even just ridiculous]…forcing hyper protection on steroids, down everybody’s throat…Because they wont tolerate “violent predators” anymore…

…And it’s all focused on the sacred cow of human sexuality…while there is this myriad of other demonstrably violent, deadly behavior…stuff that dwarfs almost anything your average pedophile could ever get up to…But there’s no clamoring for a list of violent sociopaths, no matter what they did…so long as they avoided everything “sex” in the commission of their violent, deadly crime.

Something much deeper is going on in this explosion of horror over sex offenders…Because if it were all about protecting the innocent from violent predators, they’d be all over the common thugs, the murderers…hell, even the verbal abusers…But, no…There’s not much interest, in dealing with these stark, rampant forms of assault…Real violence gets a pass…overwhelmingly.

If you ask me…”sex offender” registers are largely where the puritanical moral elitists, transferred and concealed their lingering wrath against sexual minorities…If you cant do your malicious bigotry in the open…just start labeling those you hate “sex offenders”, and treating them as though they’ve done something heinous [even when they demonstrably have not].

“Some actually feed off being labeled as a Monster, or a Freak, or Dangerous. By dehumanizing others, we dehumanize ourselves in the process.”

There are important truths in those words…

Several decades of exactly that dehumanization and alienation, are what have galvanized me into taking a strong stance of condemnation, against the common ways in which MAPs [Minor Attracted People] and other humans are abused today, for the mere “crime” of having a human nature.

As to The Thinking Atheist podcast:

…There is still some stuff, which aught to have a response…some of it is rhetoric…and just wrong.

…But, I do see the host is sincerely exploring the issue…and trying, within his knowledge base, to be balanced.

I leave that response to others.


Okay…the “nice guy” facet…and the implication that “they have to act this way, in order to get access to children”…This has got to be responded to.

My buttons have been getting pushed a bit too hard…and when this FBI propaganda came up, I could not remain silent any longer.

Being a nice and decent person, is not in conflict with being a pedophile [or a MAP of whatever orientation]…Many MAPs are just very nice, decent and giving people, who believe in being socially responsible and helping others. Being a MAP, does not invalidate their true nature…Nor is it a mask they dawn, just to get at the kids.

You might find some rare sleazebags who do that, sure…But I will not have my own character [nor that of many, many wonderful MAPs I’ve known over decades] sullied, or called into question, just because anybody supposes “it was all an act”.

…That’s just another stupid sexual superstition, aimed at MAPs…”Everything they ever did, was all aimed at getting sex.”

…It’s a load of crap…and it’s just another part of the dehumanization of MAPs.

I appreciate that they’ve identified the nuance.

“Violence against violent offenders”?…

…Again, many “sex offenders” are not violent.

BBC ChemSex…


Date: March 22, 2016

01) David Stuart: ChemSex

I heard this on the radio, the other night…

…It really underscores one thing I’ve been discussing for years…

…Many gay people look down on us BoyLovers…and they lay blame on us, because of all the unfair social stigma and stereotypes aimed at us, which also gets associated unfairly with gay men [in particular]…instead of realizing the myriad of issues which are being wrongly mixed together, and sold to the larger public as some perverse phantom to be feared…

…They don’t recognize the tactic being used against our communities…or how we are being played off against each other…

…All the while, it is a two way street…

…Yes, no matter how wrong stereotypes on “pedophiles” may be…they are still out there, and they are still a burden on any community tainted with them…The fact that they are false, does not make them any less damaging or taxing.

…But if you really noted everything on the table, and acknowledged everything that is demonstrably happening in the gay community…you would come to realize, that blame for common practices in the gay community is every bit as devastating to us BoyLovers…if not more so…Because not only do we have to contend with the lies spread about us, directly…but there are also people out there, who maliciously claim that we do the same things with small children, as gay men do with each other…Something which is clearly not even true.

…ChemSex…Grinder…anonymous sex…anal sex…fisting…You know, it’s been my experience, that [as a homosexual pedophile] being mentally associated with the gay community has been far worse for us BoyLovers…because the gay community brings with it, so many complicated skeletons in it’s own closet…skeletons which are demonstrably real…Which makes them much, much different, from what all gets commonly claimed about us pedophiles…

There is a real world track record, of many things that aren’t really all that healthy, in the gay community…as opposed to the pedophile community, which is largely only guilty of being marred down in a relentless, vicious, propaganda assault…So much of what they claim about us, just is not true…period…Yet, we have both that assault, and everything the gay community is up to, tied around our necks…dragging us down.

Largely…we are distinct, very different communities…And people should not be mistaking what commonly goes on in the pedophile community, with what commonly goes on in the gay community.

It has been to both of our communities detriments…that we’ve stood by for years, and allowed this social misunderstanding to flourish.

VIP paedophile ring investigation closed without single arrest…


Date: March 21, 2016

01) £1.8m VIP paedophile ring investigation closed without single arrest

“A fiercely-criticised police investigation into claims of a VIP paedophile ring has been dropped.

The Metropolitan Police probe, called Operation Midland, was launched in November 2014 after claims that boys were sexually abused by a number of public figures more than 30 years ago.

It cost £1.8 million up to November 2015 and did not lead to a single arrest, but saw raids on the homes of 92-year-old D-Day veteran Lord Bramall and the late Lord Brittan.”

I’ve been keeping an eye on this for a long while…and it stunk of untruthfulness, from the very start…Which is why I’ve been critical of this witch hunt, all along.

It was clearly brazen hyperbole…by people who were not even interested in the facts, nor what is true.

…They just thought it was a prime opportunity, to strike out at “pedophiles”.

So much of what was being thrown around [the accusations], was just insane…and so few people even seemed to care.

Now, it’s officially fallen apart…

…Why did I know this was a fraud, right from the get go?…

…Because I’ve witnessed this general kind of hysteria before…and unlike many people, I have learned things from those spectacles…And I know better, than to be led around by the nose…by those peddling extremely fantastical stories.

…I’m tired of the boogey man myths, being put forward as “fact”…So tired of it, that when I recognize it…I call it bull shit.

…No apologies.

Propaganda: Mom Finds Pedophile Symbol on Child’s Toy…


Date: March 20, 2016

01) Mom Finds Pedophile Symbol on Child’s Toy


“A mother was shocked to see that on one of her daughter’s toys there was a symbol that is secret code for pedophiles. The company has apologized, and said they had no idea that’s what the symbol stood for. Cenk Uygur, Hannah Cranston (ThinkTank), and Francis Maxwell (TYT Sports) hosts of The Young Turks discuss.

Were you aware this symbol was used by pedophiles? Let us know in the comments below.

Read more here: http://news.yahoo.com/recall-issued-mom-discovers-pedophile-144446471.html

“A vigilant Florida mom discovered a symbol on her child’s toy truck that led to a massive recall.

Nicole O’Kelly bought the pink truck for her 2-year-old daughter at a Monster Jam event in the Tampa area. At first, she didn’t think much of the heart symbol on the back of the toy. But her older daughter, a Law & Order: Special Victims Unit fan (and seriously smart cookie), noticed the symbol from the TV show and told her mother immediately.

According to Slate, the symbol, a heart surrounded by a larger heart, is a secret code for pedophiles. It signals that a female child is ready to be trafficked for sex.””


“The symbol, a heart surrounded by a larger heart, is a secret code for pedophiles. It signals that a female child is ready to be trafficked for sex.”

This is one of the more asinine things I have ever heard an outsider claim about any of the MAP symbols.

The symbols represent MAP communities, themselves. They reference an orientation, held by an individual MAP or a group of MAPs.

…I’d like to ask any onlooker, who is capable of thinking, comprehension and reasoning…how in the heck, this symbol is supposed to be connected with any child [girl, in this case], as some advertisement that “this girl is available to be sex trafficked”?…

…What?…Do you suppose the kids are running around wearing these symbols, in hopes of prostituting themselves?

MAP symbols [and I explicitly reiterate they refer to MAPs (Minor Attracted People), not children in general] have no message, in relations to sex trafficking.

…I at least thank Hannah, for pointing out this false information to the best of her ability.

…And Cenk…anyone can find explanations of our symbols, on official websites…if they bother to look for them…The symbols are not really any kind of secret…We are just not terribly well known, as established social groups and demographics…Hence, ignorance dictates that most people don’t know much of anything about us…It’s pretty straight forward, honestly.

…In the absence of widespread sound knowledge and information…shysters, like those behind “Law & Order SVU”, can create their hatchet job, propaganda…and put it out there for fans to gobble up…without an ounce of critical examination…

…It’s beyond sad, that “this” is the whole celebrated, heroic accomplishment…Someone was fed propaganda by an entertainment show, raises a stink and causes a completely meaningless spectacle over it.

I think it’s been fairly well understood by those MAPs who’ve been around for a while…that we will find our symbols used by other people, in various settings. It’s just one of those random things in life. Our symbols [or very similar ones] can be conceived, or borrowed, by other people.

…Are we expected to sue them?

…And Francis…No, you are not expected to lack understanding of our symbols…You are perfectly free, welcome and invited, to familiarize yourself with our symbols and the legitimate meaning behind each one…just as free, welcome and invited, as everybody else on this planet…

…Again, none of this was ever really a secret…The whole idea that it ever really was a secret, is just nonsensical, spooky propaganda.

…Just for your information…the BLogo [BoyLove triangle] has been around for decades…The GLogo [the symbol on the toy], I’m not entirely sure how old it is…but it’s at least a decade old…and it probably isn’t that much younger than the BLogo.

“Can you imagine being part of a shittier community?”

…Cenk…No, you are not entitled to be judgmental…but since you’re going to run off in that direction, anyway…

…A vast many of us don’t actually have sex with children [or teens]…Much of what we do, has to do with peer community support…and standing up for ourselves, as human beings. A lot of our activity, consists of discussion [and raising awareness] of our social issues…And, a lot of it is also just a supportive, community fellowship [which we honestly cannot get any place else].

Is there argument for the abolishment of Age of Consent law, and defense of the concepts, principles and ethics surrounding adult/child/teen sexual relations?…you bet…But the conversations in our community, go all over the place…and touch on many, many topics…Further, you wont find many who believe that sexual relations involving minors, should take place outside of a social structure of transparency and accountability.

…If you’re going to attempt talking about us, then don’t do so from a place of ignorance.

…The MAP community, is not a shitty community…It’s the best damn community on this planet.

…Do not talk about bubbles, Cenk…Your own bubble is very large, and can be easily burst.

Most of us see clearly how the world really works…We are forced to be far more self reflective and mindful, than your average person…and you wont get a more honest assessment out of anybody else.

…And, please, Cenk…stop with the sophistries…It’s just painful, watching you erect all these straw men.

…These symbols are not part of any “weird, creepy cult”.

…And I don’t get exactly what it is, you people seem to think is at stake here…or what horrible thing was allegedly avoided…These symbols are not voodoo…If something bearing one of our symbols finds it’s way into a child’s possession, it’s not going to have an adverse effect on them.

What’s going on in this “news” story, is nothing more than ignorant panic.

M.A. Voice: Issue 06 – March 18, 2016…

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Articles and content from Minor Attracted People [MAPs], presented in no particular order and without preference or discrimination. These are diverse viewpoints.


Date: March 18, 2016

01) Tom O’Carroll: V.I.P. fiasco: you heard it here first

02) Tom O’Carroll: Time to say R.I.P. to V.I.P. ‘paedo scandal’?

03) bjmuirhead: Nakedness of children

04) leonard sisyphus mann: Narratives & Perceptions: Paedophiles & Moslems

05) Vice: I Asked a Leading Expert on Paedophilia to Explain My Former Headmaster


If you’re a Minor Attracted Person [MAP] who would like your content featured in the next issue, please use the form below to pass along the necessary information.

You may also submit content created by other MAPs. Any form of legal content [written, audio, video, artistic, academic, personal expression, etc.] will be considered for inclusion.

All submissions made via this form are private.

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Other Issues

POLL: Who Do The Troops Want For President?…


Date: March 16, 2016

01) POLL: Who Do The Troops Want For President?


“US troops are split between the ‘all guns blazing’ Republican Donald Trump and the anti-war Democrat Bernie Sanders on the issue of which presidential candidate should assume supreme control of the armed forces…

While political commentators still debate whether foreign policy is seen as a major issue by regular US voters, the fact that somebody new in 2017 will have their finger on the button for war surely plays on the minds of the country’s military personnel.

Read More At:
https://www.rt.com/usa/335731-us-troops-divided-sanders-trump/

EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE: DARING TO ACTUALLY HELP WOMEN…


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Date: March 14, 2016

01) Anita Sarkeesians dirty little secret!

02) EXTRAORDINARY PEOPLE: DARING TO ACTUALLY HELP WOMEN (please give if you can)


“in the meanwhile, Anita Sarkeesian wants another $200 000 in essentially a rerun of her kickstarter project of 2012, which asked for $6000 to make 6 videos in about 6 months. It actually delivered only 2 of those videos in about 3 years (so far) out of $150 000 dollars she raised! In the meanwhile her organization (which according to her tax return still doesnt have employees) has raised almost a million dollars…. and this STILL wasnt enough for her! And even more surprising is that there are still feminists willing to throw money at her despite this track record!”


Feminist Frequency’s Finances and Anita Sarkeesian’s Honesty:


There is one thing that was going through my mind, while watching Thunderfoot’s video…

…Who in the heck is shelling out all this money to Anita, for a smattering of videos?…and videos which display highly questionable integrity, at that.

I could not imagine producing such little volume of content, and getting paid in six figures for it…especially, when arriving on the scene as an unknown…and being rather brazen, about the fact that…well…they’re just not interested in being accurate, so much as in selling a concept.

…That there has been, apparently, zero response to her own critics [except to complain about the fact she’s being criticized]…that has just compounded things.

…Being a self described “social media critic” [or something to that effect]…I’m at a loss to explain, just exactly what she does…keeps a website online…posts on Twitter…and occasionally produces/uploads a video to YouTube?

…There are many of us out here [including yours truly], who’ve been doing these kinds of things for a decade or more…but have never seen it as a viable source of income…In fact, we never have done this stuff for money…Granted, given my own social circumstances [being a Minor Attracted Person], it’s not a huge mystery why it would be such an uphill battle, for me to build such a business…But the point remains…personal financial gain, has never entered into the equation for me…as is the case for millions of people online.

…So, I mean…I get that the internet has evolved into a media hub…and modern media is just this shallow…and it’s fickle…and it’s prone to get itself [and people who follow it] caught up, into the latest fad, or ideas of a cause [seemingly, anymore, regardless of how bad the idea]…

…It’s made me wonder, if Anita hasn’t been unofficially adopted as a figurehead…an avatar…a pawn…someone to become a focal point, in pushing certain social agendas.

…Because in an of her own activities…it is unbelievable, that people have paid her roughly a million dollars for what she has done…

Even just looking at her YouTube channel…

There’s a grand total of 54 videos, on Anita’s YouTube channel…produced and uploaded over six years…This is not an especially lively and active channel…

…which is perfectly fine, in itself…I mean, heck…I only log into my own YouTube channel, when I need to release a rare video of my own making…Thing is, I never expect to be paid anything, let alone a million dollars, for what I do on YouTube.

…Only about a dozen [or less?] of her videos, are even related to these massive payments…Everything else seems like typical YouTube stuff, from someone trying to establish themselves on YouTube.

If she’s only produced 54 [mostly quite short] videos in six years…that doesn’t really scream “professional media producer” to me…I mean…as a media laymen, I produced over fifty videos in one year, on my EQvideo channel…Say what you will about their looks and style…but the were content rich, and displayed integrity.

…Again, this brings me back to the point…there are people cranking out media daily, on YouTube…doing it much better than Anita…and there isn’t this crazy groundswell of donors, rising up to support most content creators…Not like there has been for Anita.

I just feel like there has got to be something going on behind the scenes, here…Anita hasn’t even begun to deserve the money being thrown at her…And now she wants another $200,000?

…And people have gone a long way already, in giving it to her?

…Even in the face of what she’s produced?

…Something is being pushed here…and it’s not quality content.


Addendum:

Anita is a professional speaker, charging $20,000 an appearance?…

…How?…Why?…What has she ever done, to actually command such an income?

…And who wants to pay that much, to have her speak at their event?

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Canadian Documentary: I, Pedophile…

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Date: March 13, 2016

01) The Canadian documentary I, Pedophile [Direct / Download Link]



My Response:

…First, I want to thank the people behind this production, as I know it’s not easy being associated with this kind of a thing.

…Next, I just want to say that my idea of a “perfect” documentary on “pedophiles”, is no doubt substantially different from that of those featured in this documentary…and I was anticipating this…ready to extend grace and forgiveness…because there is only so much we can expect to even make it onto “the big stage”, in this day and age.

It’s hardly perfect…but it’s something of relevance.

Okay…

01) It starts off with rhetoric [Though I acknowledge I’ve gone through phases of my life, where I can totally relate to the “I hated myself” guy]…It’s dark, and has ominous music…The scene with the guy on the table, going into the scanner, isn’t terribly humanizing…It makes me feel more like I’m witnessing a lab rat, than a human being.

02) I’m not entirely sure…if the protestors are actors, or real people protesting…And without knowing the guy they are protesting, I’m not prepared to say anything about his case…However…the dogma is clear, here. A lot of what is being represented here, comes from the phobia going on in the minds of those protestors.

03) I have nothing but the utmost of respect, for the two MAPs who appeared in this documentary.

04) Acknowledging that this world sets us MAPs up for an excruciatingly hard life, and that many of us do end up picking up psychological damage…even mental illness…I appreciate that they have mentioned the near impossibility, to attain mental health services…at least when we actually need them. Sadly, I think there are a lot more such cases in the MAP community, than gets recognized…and I think the MAP community, at large, prefers to distance itself from this…Because those who are doing well, don’t like being attached to the stigma of mental illness.

I’ve known of a case or two, where there should have been an intervention, before things escalated to where they did…If only we would have known, something could have potentially been done to stop it…

I used to have a much more naïve, cheery and positive outlook on this issue…not really seeing it as a major problem, within the MAP community…Over the years [almost two decades, now]…I’ve seen a few straight up sociopaths, who identified as one of us…I’ve also seen a good MAP mentally break, and go extremely wrong…

…I have enough knowledge about this issue today…to know that it is real…it is out there amongst us…and it is not being adequately addressed…I’ve lost someone very dear to me, because of this…It’s not something I can deny, nor forget.

05) I’m never really going to be comfortable with it, when I hear someone suggesting that we MAPs should not be in society “without supervision”…It feels like being told, we need to be kept on a leash.

06) In addition…I reject the idea, that herding MAPs into some kind of social commitment program, is itself going to make the world a safer place…In fact, it can be very psychologically damaging and traumatic, to be forced into such a thing. A person does not need that, just because they are a MAP.

07) It should be noted, that Dr. Cantors research findings are his own findings, from his own research, based on his specific pool of research subjects…And it’s been quite controversial, causing a lot of uproar and mockery, from amongst the MAP community, itself. Many of us fear [and I think quite rightly], that we are not adequately represented by these findings…and that these findings, are more likely to drag us down in the long run, than to actually help us.

…I have to concede, however…I don’t have a direct line of communication with every MAP on this planet…and, therefor, I cannot tabulate our collective status…So…I’m afraid it will fall to these limited studies, to do anything even remotely progressive for MAPs…until the day of real change happens.

…Easily, the biggest heartbreaker in all of this…is that we MAPs, as a community, were actively trying to build this foundation [and partnership], for research on MAPs…easily well over a decade, before Dr. Cantor ever arrived on the scene. I think it would have yielded the most pure and honest findings…But now, it’s been taken up by a somewhat controversial outsider, which has the MAP community very fractured…and at odds with each other.

I have a lot of sympathy for Dr. Cantor, over what he’s had to endure through all of this…And I appreciate some of the things he’s brought to the table…But being honest…if it were up to me…I’d have never chosen him to do this research…and I’d have wished, that he’d have just steered clear of it all. I think…for those MAPs who flock to him…they see his refusal to acknowledge legitimacy of our sexuality, as being some sort of advantage…in clearing a limited path to move in…It is still coming at a very real, very deep cost, however…

…Not the least of which, is the MAP community fracturing.

08) I object to Dr. Cantors use of the term “cross wiring” [when talking about MAP brains]…as it implies that pedophilia is somehow “the wrong” status…or “the disordered” status.

With all due respect…We don’t even know exactly how common pedophilia is…The day may come in the future, where we discover that nearly everybody experiences pedophile attractions and inclinations, at least once in their lives…Maybe on an infrequent, but still recurring basis, throughout their lives…We don’t know how many people completely bury it, and live in denial.

What I am getting at…is that pedophilia may be nowhere near as uncommon, as we currently imagine it to be…And this “cross wiring”, may be just a secondary variant to base heterosexuality and base homosexuality…Just because it might be less common, does not make it abnormal.

09) One place where I really appreciate Dr. Cantor…is that he tells it like it is, where it comes down to the concrete nature of our orientation…It’s part of us, and nobody is going to change it. I see very few other people out there doing this…especially people with PHDs, and status.

10) Dr. Beier…I can appreciate the spirit of what he is saying…But I’ve always felt it was just wrong, to compare substance abuse with any sexual orientation [including pedophilia]…These are two extremely different things. Furthermore, it’s stigmatizing to suggest that a pedophile cannot care for a child. I acknowledge that people can lose respect…but I don’t believe they are “completely right in [their] answer”, when suggesting that being a pedophile disqualifies one from caring for a child.

Different MAPs have different experiences…but it’s to cliché, stigmatic and prejudiced, to suggest that we all cant control ourselves.

11) Yes!…Pedophilia IS part of human sexuality!…

…There you go, dear readers…A doctor who is stating what a lot of us have been saying for years, upon years…Pedophilia is just one part of human sexuality…It’s as normal to be present in any culture, as any other type of human sexuality.

12) I’m not sure where Dr. Beier gets off labeling “false behavior”…but I’ve always understood, that his program does not endorse active adult minor sexual relations…So, this is no shock. His institution is ultimately an agent of social control, just aimed at MAPs.

13) I really appreciate the distinction between how terms [“pedophile” and “hebephiles”] get used in research [and what they fundamentally mean], versus how they get used in ordinary conversation…The gravity of this disparity, cannot be emphasized enough.

14) I think…While Dr. Cantor does introduce an important issue on relationship perceptions…he’s doing a serious disservice, by ignoring children who honestly are sexually motivated. Even if we don’t presume them to be anything more than a tiny minority…they are out there.

15) We can do without seeing the incident, presented like some creepy assault, thank you…I’m sure we’ve seen well more than enough of these, on tabloid television programming. It’s propagandist.

16) The way child pornography is treated in our so called “civilized” world, is outright barbarity…And this is one giant, that must be slain. We cannot allow things to continue on, as they are…And I believe the time is coming, when hysteria surrounding child pornography will reach a tipping point…and it will push things so far, that the majority of us will no longer tolerate this insatiable blood lust, for taking revenge against all taboo sexuality.

17) Well…this is the first time I’ve ever seen the depiction, of a pedophile in prison chocking out his attacker…Very nice!

18) You know…I’ve always kind of wondered what all falls under “acting on it”, when it comes to being a MAP….I mean, I’ve seen some fanatics suggesting that I am “acting on it”, by simply putting myself out here…and talking about the many realities of this existence…Some even suggest that I am “trying to normalize it”, by doing this…

…Of course, I am not…and I don’t need to [nor could I] normalize it, when it is already a normal component of human culture [suppressed as it may be]…I’m just trying to help ease the epiphany, for as many people as I can…help others make sense of it all, and come to some sort of peace with it.

I expect most people think “acting on it” means having sex with a child/teen [as an adult]…but some people use extremely broad [I’d suggest bastardized] definitions, when it comes to this…Likely because they just want us to get into trouble, for even just daring to stick our heads out, and challenge anything about the current social practices and beliefs.

19) I appreciate that Dr. Cantor distinguishes between pedophilia, and psychopathy…as they are most definitely not the same things. Yes, MAPs can see other people as people…including children and teens [for some children and teens, we are the only people who do]. Many of us hold a great deal of care and respect for them…and for people of all ages.

…And, yes…thankfully, psychopaths are rare amongst MAPs.

20) “He’s orally raping me”?…

…I’m sure the man who is saying this, is being genuine…

…and this takes me into one of my fundamental objections about how our sexuality is treated…

…You’re a MAP…you get no place in this world, where you are left alone…You’re hounded and persecuted, for every outward expression of your natural sexuality…Of course, a lot of MAPs have resorted [been forced] to make due, with less than optimal circumstances…And amongst those less than optimal circumstances, we can find some MAPs a bit to enthusiastic, in invite themselves to a child’s body…

…Where as, if this could all be out in the open…and we could somehow be mature and reasonable about it, as a culture…there is no reason under the sun, why these kinds of awkward experiences should happen.

You now have a guy, who as a kid did not know what to expect…in a culture, which is centered around making sure he will carry as much psychological baggage with him as possible, for merely having what should have been an experience he could have looked upon, like…”Well, that was weird [or interesting], but I don’t want to do this anymore”…And he should have been able to walk away, his pride and self image still intact…

…And the “pedophile”?…In a better world, he would be able to openly talk about these things with those he’s attracted to, and find an interested partner…one who’d know what to expect, before he got into bed.

…But I suppose, that all makes too much practical sense.

Homophobia [as well as pedophile phobia] is a wicked, hateful thing…and internalized, like with this poor guy…it’s terrible. Society should not have imposed this cruelty upon him.

Oh…and calling someone who enjoys the mutual sexual companionship of children [or teens] a “predator”, merely because they enjoy the mutual sexual companionship of children [or teens]?…It takes one hell of a lot more than that, to make anyone a true predator.

…That is nothing but bold faced bigotry, on display…I’m sorry if this guy got unwittingly pulled into a web of social mess, and that it was not fair…but it is still bigotry.

I think he’s more responding to the social pressures around him, concerning the stigmatized experiences he had…than he is responding to the experiences, themselves.

Look…a lot of us have been unwillingly touched, grabbed and groped, sexually…even as kids…The best immunity one could ever have, to what this guy is going through today…is in never internalizing [never accepting] all the psychological crap [the sexual superstitions], which people are trying to pile on top of those kinds of experience.

Don’t accept their lies about it…Dismiss them, and don’t let them haunt you for the rest of your life…This piece of advice, will serve every victim of sexual assault well, no matter who they are or what they experienced.

I’m sorry this guy was not consenting…It sounds like he was a surrogate, and not an active partner…

…Though a lot of people might not believe this…and though I’ve never thought so ill, of willing experimentation…this type of pressured and unnatural encounter, is amongst the things I would genuinely like to happen less [if “not at all”]. It’s why I believe, that MAPs need legal avenues to attain natural companionship. Otherwise we get these cases, where some MAPs try to forcefully make do, with whatever person is available who looks good to them…That’s not healthy.

21) I don’t personally believe that pedophilia is a disease…because sexuality is not a disease…And I think, as a culture, we’ve gotten entirely to comfortable, with couching culturally inconvenient things, in terms which imply dysfunction…

…There may be some kind of dysfunction present…but, it’s not originating from the individual person, so much as from the culture, which has moved away from that individuals human nature.

I’d also point out that “illness”, especially when it comes to mental and social state…and sexuality…this is a cultural matter, with a vast and deep history of social flux…What we consider “ill” or “dysfunctional”, changes over time.

There is nothing to honestly cure, when it comes to pedophilia…It’s really just a question, of how we as a culture, are going to approach pedophilia.

22) I do see, and recognize, a lot of the self doubt expressed by one MAP…And this is why social communities of peers [MAPs], are so vital to us MAPs. It helps us make sense of our own lives, and our place in this world…and it helps anchor us, having these support structures.

You know…they talk about us MAPs “needing their help”…but in reality, a lot of us found what we needed, in our fellowship with other MAPs.

For all it’s warts and problems…BoyChat has been a beautiful, magnificent gift to me…Because it was the source of my own support…and I forged a lot of wonderful bonds of friendship, there…A lot of people [even MAPs] like to spew venom at BoyChat, without honestly realizing it’s powerful place, in our collective history…It honestly has been a juggernaut…and if you’ll pardon the expression from an atheist…a “godsend”…

I would take a vibrant, honestly caring, present and empowered MAP community any day, over some institution offering drugs, therapy and “coping skills”…There is no contest, there.

Okay…I think I’m done…I’m just going to watch the rest of this…and likely not give anymore response…as I’ve been at this for quite a while, and I’m getting really tired…I think I started this a couple hours ago, and I still have about twenty minutes of it to go.

Well…as it happens, the video cut out on me, just as Dr. Cantor was mentioning how important it is for MAPs, to have a connection with people experiencing the same thing [other MAPs]…How curious, given that I just went on about the exact same thing.

I’m done watching for now…I’ll finish later…but wont likely ad more commentary…unless I see something, that demands a response.

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