No Surprises: #CLoverGender is Fake…


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Date: January 26, 2017

01) ‘Clovergender’ Is a Sick New Attack on the LGBT Community

“…it looks like a group of internet trolls have created a new term to upset social justice warriors and mock LGBTQs.

Last week, individuals began identifying as “clovergender.” The term began being used to identify children who are trapped in the bodies of adults. They are calling for acceptance of this new identity, comparing it as an equivalent to being transgender. They are also claiming that because they are children trapped in the bodies of adults, it is OK for them to have relationships with children.


Well, Snopes looked into this, and the whole thing is a scam. It is meant to upset people and throw a wrench in the LGBT community’s movement for equality.”

02) Cloverfailed

“The term was evidently created by pranksters in order to mock individuals of non-binary gender.


That the concept appeared from the ether on or around 1 January 2017 strongly suggests it was a hoax.

Several users captured 4chan screenshots from 31 December 2016 and 1 January 2017 demonstrating that the “clovergender” idea was cooked up by resident pranksters in an attempt to mock individuals of non-binary gender (i.e., transgender people, gender fluid people, and people of alternate gender):”

Child Lovers have never given their endorsement to the “CLoverGender” thing…In fact, I have yet to encounter another Child Lover, who has any knowledge of this “CLoverGender” groups prior existence.

I had a few of these people on one of my Twitter lists, then I moved them to another list…They seemed kind of disingenuous.

Thing is…you start getting into this “cis gender” [Etc.] rabbit hole, and some of those people…I mean, “CLoverGender” is not a far leap, from anything to expect out of them…But I found the “child trapped in adult body” thing intriguing enough, to where I wanted to watch it for a bit…get a better sense of what was happening.

These findings are no shock.

It was not lost on me, of course, that they were commandeering “CL” in this effort…

CL is one of our terms, and it stands for Child Lover.

Myself being a Child Lover…I naturally wanted to keep an eye on this…Because these people are potentially causing even more trouble for us, than anybody else they may target.

The LGBTQ feels mocked?…

…Well, they coyly stole and incorporated one of our well used identifiers…How do you imagine we feel?

…And we’ve still got the PizzaGate B.S. dragging on, from these idiots.

A Comment Demanding Response:


“This seems like something NAMBLA would do. Are they connected to this somehow?” – Tim Peter

On what do you base this fantastical leap of yours, Tim?

Having watched NAMBLA [I was considering joining, at one point in time] for a good solid fifteen years or more…I can tell you they have no history of this kind of thing, at all. In fact, it sounds exactly like something NAMBLA would steer absolutely clear of…Nothing about NAMBLA’s historical conduct, indicates that they want anything to do with this type of behavior.

For your information…NAMBLA has been accused of all sorts of ridiculous things.

Here are only a few of them:

a) Newgon and NAMBLA Covered in Media
b) Shooting Cuomo in the Face? | NAMBLA Verifies, Shooting Cuomo is a Hoax
c) The Character Assassination of NAMBLA… | An Unfinished Project Concerning Curley V NAMBLA
d) Etan Patz | GROUP ASSERTS PICTURE IS OF MODEL, NOT OF ETAN PATZ | The Disappearance of Etan Patz and, With Him, Another Age | Etan Patz Biography

NAMBLA is no stranger, to having both gross distortions of it’s organization spread about, and incredulous accusations of criminal activity made against it.

In a world where almost nobody cares to look closer, check facts and dig deeper, before swallowing these stories wholesale…NAMBLA is the sort of group, which is forced to be unquestionably scrupulous and on the level…unlike virtually any other group in existence, past or present.

Tim…you clearly do not have understanding of NAMBLA’s intent, code and mode of conduct, focus and manpower…

NAMBLA has nothing to do with harassing other marginalized groups…When it was still allowed, it used to help support other such groups.

NAMBLA has such little manpower, that it has trouble keeping regular updates [IE: adding new articles and commentaries] on it’s website…even with at least two volunteers overseeing it.

…And you have the idea, that they’ve all run off to commit this “CLoverGender” hoax, for a lark?

NAMBLA is one of the only groups I can name, which stood up and fought in court, to protect one of the most crucial rights in the U.S. Constitution…Had NAMBLA lacked the will to fight, it would have established devastating case law…which could have ultimately had wide reaching consequences on everybody in the USA. The day they can arrest you for sharing information, or sharing an opinion…is the day the first amendment right to free speech is dead.

The entire USA owes a debt of gratitude to NAMBLA, on this ground alone.

There has never been a more of the people, for the people patriotic, pro-freedom group in the USA, than NAMBLA.

Call that personal opinion, if you want…but it’s based on many years of following NAMBLA, and it’s leaders.

NAMBLA actually embodies, most American ideals…and fights on behalf of them.

…Most people are just too blind to see this.


How A Volunteer Program Works To Ensure No Hospital Patient Dies Alone…

Date: January 23, 2017

01) How A Volunteer Program Works To Ensure No Hospital Patient Dies Alone

02) Direct Download [MP3]

“When it’s not possible for family or friends to be at a patient’s bedside in their final hours, a volunteer program in hospitals called No One Dies Alone works to ensure that terminal patients aren’t by themselves when they die.

It started in Eugene, Oregon, in 2001, and now volunteers can be found in hospitals across the country. Here & Now’s Jeremy Hobson talks with Marilyn Judson, a volunteer with No One Dies Alone at UCLA Medical Center, Santa Monica.”

Homosexuality: It’s about survival – not sex – James O’Keefe – TEDxTallaght…

Date: January 22, 2017

01) Homosexuality: It’s about survival – not sex – James O’Keefe – TEDxTallaght

Thanks for this find, Puer Aeternus.

“This passionate talk from Dr. James O’Keefe MD gives us a deeply personal and fascinating insight into why homosexuality is indeed a necessary and extraordinarily useful cog in nature’s wheel of perfection.

James H O’Keefe MD, is a Board Certified Cardiologist and Director of both the Charles & Barbara Duboc Cardio Health & Wellness Center and the Preventive Cardiology service at Saint Luke’s Mid America Heart Institute. He is also Professor of Medicine at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. His postgraduate training included a cardiology fellowship at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Dr O’Keefe is board-certified in Cardiology, Internal Medicine, Nuclear Cardiology, and Cardiac CT Imaging. He is consistently ranked among the ‘Top Doctor’ lists regionally and nationally as one of America’s Top Rated Physicians in Cardiology. He has been named as one of USA Today’s Most Influential Doctors. Dr O’Keefe has contributed more than 300 articles to the medical literature and has authored best-selling cardiovascular books for health professionals including: The Complete Guide to ECGs (which is used for Cardiology Board Certification), Dyslipidemia Essentials, and Diabetes Essential.”

Waking Up With Sam Harris #62 – What is True? (with Jordan B. Peterson)…


Date: January 21, 2017

01) Waking Up With Sam Harris #62 – What is True? (with Jordan B. Peterson)

“In this episode of the Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris speaks with psychologist Jordan B. Peterson about freedom of speech and the nature of truth.

Jordan B. Peterson is a clinical psychologist and Professor at the University of Toronto. He formerly taught at Harvard University and has published numerous articles on drug abuse, alcoholism and aggression. He is the author of Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief.”

An open letter to Sam Harris:

“Dr. Sam Harris and I recently had a discussion: We hit an impasse over the definition of truth. I don’t think we got to where we should have, and I think the listeners felt that. So in this video (I also sent the letter to Dr. Harris) I try to sort some of that out, try to make what I was claiming clearer, and suggest what we might do instead.”

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Terminally Ill Toddler Becomes Internet Meme; Mom Fights Back…

Date: January 21, 2017

01) Terminally Ill Toddler Becomes Internet Meme; Mom Fights Back

02) Direct Download [MP3]

“Grayson Smith is an Alabama toddler, born with heart and skull deformities, epilepsy, breathing difficulties and more. Though he wasn’t expected to survive his first weeks, he’s now a gregarious 3-year-old.

His mother, Jenny Smith, started a Facebook page several years ago to get support from fellow parents, and to support other parents going through the same challenges as her own family. So she was surprised and dismayed when she found that photos of Grayson had been stolen from the page and were spreading around the internet as a cruel meme. She decided to fight back.”

Maybe there are just a lot of people out there who are mentally ill?…I don’t know…

…Or maybe this type of thing, is the fallout of a culture where people are no longer physically close…and they don’t have to empathize, or deal with the face to face aspects of life?

This creates a lot of people, with stunted personal growth…a lot of people who should know better…but, what happens online “is not real” to them…or it’s all so impossibly black and white to them.

Thinking back…I remember some things I did as a kid…sometimes, completely without ill intent…sometimes, being a bit mean and not thinking things through…

It put me through some valuable learning experiences, to see the response to my actions…to feel the terrible feelings…to make sure they were okay…and to apologize.

This is something vital that’s missing, when all you do is type, or “speak on your computer”.

I think a lot of these people aren’t seeing, or comprehending, what they are doing.

#PizzaGate: It’s all so obscure…

Date: January 20, 2017

For those who don’t mind visiting twitter:

It’s a lot to slog through…and you can tell there are a lot of people piling on, who “just have to believe”…common sense, facts and evidence of substance be damned.

These are people who are merely discovering [possibly for the first time], “networks of pedophiles”…which is to say, generally, loose associations of MAPs, who talk with each other and the public, and who share information…

They appear to have a heavy skewing towards superstition and religion…They arrive on the scene already certain, that these vast networks of pedophiles are kidnaping, raping and murdering children…despite that they have nothing to prove this belief…

And as soon as they discover you, as a MAP, they’re highly eager to throw you into that mental category, no matter how weak [or non-existent] the “connection”.

Not so long ago, I ran across this one person on YouTube, suggesting that pizzagate be used as a cover all term, to reference everything they deem “pedophilic”…no matter whether it has anything to do with Clinton, Podesta, Comet Ping Pong, or not.

I get the sense, they are trying to take things in that direction…And they’ve been trying to claim that a guy who frequents one of the pizza places in question [maybe both], argued on behalf of sexual liberation for youth and children…and that he posted at least one such statement, here on BoyChat.

Given this is alleged to have happened, around the time when I arrived here [1998]…It’s almost guaranteed impossible, that anybody is going to be able to confirm or rule out this possibility.

Gee…yet still another pizzagate claim, out of numerous, that cannot be proven or disproven…It’s like they’re trying to piece together some “case”, to take everybody they don’t like down…but they’re basing it on, “You can’t disprove it…So, Na Na Na, Na Na!”.

I can only give two comments on all the stuff I’ve slogged through, as concerns BoyChat…

I do recall somebody carrying on a conversation here about handkerchiefs, as relates to them being a symbol of sexual orientation…This is a vague memory…but I do recall it happening…I’m not sure if it went into the more gross direction, that the pizzagate people have gone in.

The question of someone incorporating the BLogo into a business sign also feels vaguely familiar to me…but there is no way I could say, what the context of the discussion was.

Even if a long standing MAP who was connected to the pizza places did happen to post here at one time…that’s not exactly shocking, given that BoyChat is one of the oldest websites on the internet.

A person posting something on BoyChat, essentially decades ago, in no way implicates this community in the fairytale those people are trying to spin.

I think Bill Maher summarized this type of thing best…

…”It’s idiots talking with other idiots”…and they’re working themselves up into a tizzy, over it.

These people don’t even seem to know what they are talking about…It’s a conspiracy theory gone wild.

PIZZAGATE.COM Is Offering $25,000 REWARD For Anyone That Can DEBUNK #PizzaGate…


Sub-Sections:| Perverted Justice Journal | The Vile Files | Anonymous Hate Watch | Judith Reisman Watch |


Date: January 20, 2017

01) PIZZAGATE.COM Is Offering $25,000 REWARD For Anyone That Can DEBUNK #PizzaGate

“There is a $25,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every pizzagate accusation on We are legally obligated to pay up, as rewards are considered to be unilateral contracts. Please provide citations that do not bounce back to unsourced articles (eg. fake news such as Buzzfeed or CNN). Leave your identity politics at the door. This is much bigger than who you voted for. Whether you are republican or democrat, globalist or nationalist, we need to work together. Let us separate fact from fiction to determine the truth. We all want the truth, right?”

Here is an idea, that may occur to people in possession of a logical mind.

How about you pizzagate folks identifying the children you people claim to have been raped, trafficked and murdered, for once?

Is this asking too much, in the face of your extraordinary claims?…

Do these children even exist?

…Because it seems awful peculiar that these claims are being made, when there are no discernable victims, or even missing people.

I am not impressed, by some ridiculous challenge to disprove everything being claimed by you wildly imaginative people.

I’m confident a lot [maybe most, or all] of it cannot be disproven, simply because there is nothing out there, but your people’s claims.

…Or, to be able to disprove everything, you’d need to possess an unnatural ability to find and discover inherently private things, there’s no openly public path too.

Highly Curious Things:

01) The Pizzagate website exists…

01) Flippa page

…And somebody is looking to cash in on the domain, by selling it for $2,500.00…



…Such paragons of victim white knighting, these people must certainly be.

…Oh my goodness…

You bozos are making the claim, that some Washington D.C. pizza place is a hotbed of child rape and murder, which you conveniently “broke as a news story” amidst U.S. elections…and you dragged Hillary Clinton, her staff, the pizza place owner, our community symbols as MAPs, and now the community of BoyChat [which I am part of, thank you very much], and a new group called Heart Progress into this convoluted mess…Apparently for no other reason, than we, our community and our symbols just happen to exist, and be out here.

You people are incredulous liars.

You want credibility?…produce the victims you claim to exist…and soundly link them to the people you claim guilty, and the physical actions you claim took place.

Until you shysters are willing [or capable] to put up…you will remain a bunch of low brow liars.

You’re so certain that children have been raped, trafficked and murdered?…

…Then get to the police department, and file a complaint…

Of course…most [and probably none] of you will ever do this…because you know, that filing a frivolous, baseless or fraudulent police report, can get your own asses into legal hot water.

And your “website” is nothing more than a rabbit hole, of suggestions, innuendo and cobbled together pieces of information. There is nothing sound or logical about it.

Even victims of sexual assault, themselves, should be outraged at what you shameless cretins are doing.

You people are making a mockery, out of a serious social issue…and you’re acting to corrupt legal investigation, itself.

I’m starting to question, whether you people are seriously attempting to start a culture war…Whatever you are up to, it is wrong.


How I Went to School…

Date: January 19, 2016

01) How I Went to School…

Back in October of 2016, I finally did something I’d been meaning to do for at least a year…probably two, or three.

How I Went to School: Accelerated Christian Education [ACE]…

This was never going to be a project based around sour grapes…In fact when I stumbled across ACE videos on YouTube, I was legitimately excited about it…because I could finally share something about myself with other people, that is often confusing to explain…because so relatively few people share this experience with me.

I was actually having fun making that post…because I could vouch for a lot of the things other people were saying about ACE…And it was bringing back a lot of memories…Most of them are not especially bad.

The problem with these kinds of schools, is that everything is measured against the bible…Any contradiction is defaulted to the bible’s narrative. Because they are private schools…they get away with this.

It’s astonishing…but true. The quality and integrity of your K-12 schooling, can have severe differences…And relatively few people seem to think there is anything wrong with that.

…Of course…when you go through roughly two decades of this…graduate, and have to go function in the world…it does eventually sink in, that you literally have to be deprogrammed…re-oriented…re-educated.

…Going to college presented a culture shock to me…Because I had so little experience learning and functioning in that kind of setting and structure.

…And, I mean…electives were almost non-existent…Nothing practical was offered, in the way of life skills…It was sad…About the only thing I would say these schools have a leg up on [aka an advantage], is preparing children to become missionaries, or have careers in the church.

They’re often not well funded…Sometimes the people running them are questionable…But I guarantee you, any kid who attends one will forget more about the bible, than your average person will ever know.

…And after spending all that time and years with your nose buried in the bible…you come out and realize, it’s not much of a useful thing…There’s all sorts of other things, time would be better spent on.

I sometimes think about the stuff I wanted to do [like learn to play the saxophone]…but was forced out of, because with everything else going on, I was overwhelmed…I couldn’t keep up with it…Me memorizing passages from the bible, was more important to them, than my development of a personally enriching musical skill…a skill which was important to me, on a personal level.

…Cant say as I much care about quoting bible verses today…But I’d love to play the sax in a band…That might actually be a beneficial skill, if I had it today.

…Heck…I could have been Kenny G…or something.

A bitter irony…is that it was the school, itself, that was contracting a music instructor to come in, and teach those of us interested [there was only three of us]…But they pulled me out, and wouldn’t let me continue [unlike the others].

I’ve always been creatively and musically inclined…Not well developed, but leaning in that direction…So, it has remained a sore spot of contention, given all the time we kids were forced to spend doing an insane amount of bible stuff.

In the years since…I’ve invested in a few musical instruments…but neglected to learn how to play them, in any meaningful way…Much to my personal shame.

As to that test:

We covered dinosaurs, too…And I know, something similar to that test was likely given to me…somewhere along the line.

Sometimes It’s surprising to look back, and realize how they tried to intertwine our education, with molding us into being world missionaries…Because you don’t even think about that, when you’re experiencing it [maybe later, but not early on]…That’s just how you are raised, to believe the world is…You don’t know anything different…and you lack the knowledge and skills to refute it.

My honest opinion, as someone who went through twelve years of it…is that schools like those that use ACE, should not be allowed to teach science…or social studies [as in government and history]…

…Granted, they don’t actually teach science…They teach a corrupted hybrid, of science submissive to religion…It’s not a real science education.

…Social studies is heavily propagandist…Though I’m sure many will argue, it is everywhere.

All the subjects that should be protected from turning them into a de facto extra bible study, are not protected at all…And there are way too many bible studies, mandatory and elective.

My experience with the church [and it’s ACE schools], remains one of the most irrational, bewildering experiences of my life.

…You escape from that kind of setting…and people come to scorn you, for your developed sense of honesty.

If nothing else…it’s been a major personal education, in social B.S.

Nothing has to be especially true, or even possess integrity…but it will fly, so long as enough people vouch for it, under the auspices of “looking out for the children’s better interests”.

That’s one of the major, fundamental rules of culture, right there.