No More Chris Hansen?…

Date: August 06, 2013

01) Chris Hansen out of a job

02) Chris Gets Canned

After all these years making a name for himself, by extremely publicly entrapping and humiliating people who wanted to share some sexual fun with willing, but “the wrong”, people…

…Chris Hansen gets caught sliding his wee wee in “the wrong” place, with “the wrong” person…and gets very publicly photographed and reported on, about it…


He Who Knows Better, and stands in judgement…is an unfaithful [to his wife and family] sex pervert, having an affair with a substantially younger woman…

…Who’d have thought, that Mister Superior gets his own sexual ethics straight out of the toilet?…

Apparently, the relationship got cut off quick…and the mistress was jealous because Chris did not get fired…like she did…

I am not going to say you got what you deserve, Chris Hansen…Because you’ve had a charmed career, and a privileged life…You are rich, and can walk away from this…Probably don’t even need to work, another day of your life…

No…The surface has not even been scratched, with regards to what you deserve.

But…it is kind of nice to see, that after NBC added everything up…they finally noticed that you are too much of a liability for them, and booted your parasitic behind out the door…

I still think NBC should crash and burn…This won’t really atone for their sins…even if it is good to see.

A Rose by Any Other Name, Is Still a Witch Hunt…

Date: August 4, 2013

01) Thank you, Etenne

02) Rose City [Michigan] middle school torn apart by teacher sex scandal

“Rose City – This tiny farm town in northern Michigan has risen up against a school board member and six teachers.

Longtime friends no longer talk to them. They’ve been blasted by a judge, criticized by the local newspaper and mocked in public meetings.

Residents are trying to recall board member Mike Eagan, and the board is contemplating firing the teachers.

Their offense: supporting a friend convicted of having sex with an eighth-grade student. When middle school teacher Neal Erickson was sentenced last month, Eagan sat in court with Erickson’s family. The six teachers wrote letters of support to the judge.”

You ever get offended by people who get offended?…I’m not talking about those cases, where someone has simply had their buttons pushed for too long and enough is enough…I am talking about people who latch onto issues, where they are just chronically offended no matter what…If the certain words come up in conversation, they are suddenly offended…sometimes, quite emotionally so…And all that matters, is that they are offended…And all else must stop, in deference to their personal sense of outrage and offense…

I feel like…these are exactly the situations, and the mindsets…which steamroll over whoever is most convenient, or “in the way”…That this is at the heart of what rips the possibility of any good outcome, from the hands of sanity.

…Somebody wants heads on a platter, to satisfy their own moral outrage…

Of course, in the comments section of this report it is being mostly framed as “six teachers supporting child rape, who need to be fired”…

“The controversy began with a 7-year-old photo. The obscene picture of Janczewskis’ son when he was 14, was anonymously emailed to the school board and superintendent.

The Michigan State Police contacted the son, now 21 and a student at Western Michigan University, and learned he had sent the photo to his eighth-grade teacher in 2006.

The son said he and the teacher, Erickson, had a relationship that summer that involved eight to 10 sexual encounters at the teacher’s home.”

…But it sounds like this is more a case, where a teacher and student had a sexual summer affair, which is just coming out now…seven years later…It seems, the younger companion did not feel need to seek help, nor intervention…grew up and got into university…and this only came to light by accident, when a self taken and willingly given picture [by the boy in question] was found…He went back to his teacher, about ten times over…Which is entirely believable, for a fourteen year old boy who maybe has some homosexual tendencies.

I am getting the impression…that those six teachers probably never wanted the boy and Erikson to do what they did…but at the same time, realized that the boy and Erikson could not justly be reduced down to one stigmatized sexual affair…The sum of who these two people are, cannot be summed up into one issue which many people think badly about [and which commonly does not get a fair or measured treatment, in its own right].

He and the boy [teenager, actually], had numerous sex romps…And these six peer of his, probably rightly, thought that Erikson did not deserve spending much of the rest of his life in a cage, for “sucking off a horny and very willing fourteen year old”, or whatever it was this boy kept returning for…This sounds like just another classic case, of screaming “bloody murder” over…well…honestly, over nothing that couldn’t be gotten past with a little bit of level headed maturity…and some frank honesty.

Maybe, the six thought it was a terrible miscarriage of justice and a total waste…for extreme penalties to be levied against what was really just a violation of social roles, but not particularly threatening in nature? …Maybe they saw things escalating out of control, and tried to infuse a little bit of rational perspective?

“During the sentencing, Circuit Judge Michael Baumgartner said he was appalled by the support for Erickson.

“What you did was a jab in the eye with a sharp stick to every parent who trusts a teacher,” he told the defendant.”

I think it was entirely out of line, for the judge to have taken such a tone with these six…That was terribly unprofessional, and it is not his business to admonish people who are engaged in a common practice in these types of cases…that being, giving character witness before the court, as sentencing is being considered…Who is he to stand in the way, or dissuade people from the honest exercise of this right? …That judge’s behavior, is totally indefensible.

In the comments section, someone identifying themselves as the boy’s parent makes the claim that their son’s life has been destroyed by this…

…One interesting question to ask here, is whether the parents even had a clue that this was going on, several years back…and whether they noticed any negative changes in their son, at the time of the affair [or in its aftermath] …Or did their son return to Erikson, again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again [and maybe twice more, still], concealing [protecting?] this from his parents who he knew would not approve…living normally and being quite stable enough to make it into university, and pursue a thriving future?…

…Is this “destroyed life” hyperbole?…Maybe, parental revisionism?…

Part of a reader’s comment…

[…] the parents are the ones taking the additional action. I might add that to my knowledge, the victim did not appear at any of the court cases nor has he made any push towards the efforts to remove or discipline the teachers. You can come up with theories, but I have read DIRECT messages from the victim saying he remains mostly neutral in the *current situation. – Steve Hyer

…Remaining neutral, when his life has allegedly been destroyed?…

This sounds more like a parental vendetta, than anything else…

…”Not my kid!”…”He ain’t doing that!”…”And you’re going to pay dearly, for opening that door for him!”…

…I am with Etenne on this one…

This issue may be a delicate social dance, when it comes to the “positions of trust and authority” argument…but this case has clearly spun way out of control.

Nobody should ever be admonished or threatened, over having given character witness and testimony in the sentencing portion of a criminal trial…Such is an outright breakdown, of the actual legal process itself.

There is something deeply wrong, going on in Rose City.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan: Still “Not” a Terrorist?…

Date: August 03, 2013

…Fort Hood and the rarity of military executions…

…Fort Hood and the rarity of military executions…

“Hasan doesn’t deny that he carried out the November 2009 rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, that left 13 people dead and more than 30 others wounded. There are dozens of witnesses who saw it happen. Military law prohibits him from entering a guilty plea because authorities are seeking the death penalty. But if he is convicted and sentenced to death in a trial that starts Tuesday, there are likely years, if not decades, of appeals ahead.

He may never make it to the death chamber at all.”

Apparently, nearly all death sentences given to active service members are overturned on appeal. Further, no active service member has been executed since the 1960’s.

…I wanted to make mention of the Fort Hood massacre, back when it occurred…For one thing, I wanted to acknowledge the peculiarity of the government and media refusing to acknowledge this as a terrorist act.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, I think, clearly engaged in an islamic inspired act of terrorism on a U.S. military base.

No matter how many people may be uneasy about it…I stand in unity, with those who believe it is high time this case be acknowledged for what it is…an act of terrorism…and that Nidal Malik Hasan is an islamic terrorist.

It is a disgrace, that the families of Nidal Malik Hasans victims have apparently been denied benefits and compensation from resources earmarked for just such cases, because the government won’t call a spade a spade.

Thirteen people were butchered by Nidal Malik Hasan, and numerous others badly injured…All while Hasan was verbally shouting out an extremely cliche islamic slogan…And the U.S. government still refuses to say, what everybody else knew from the very beginning of this insane mess?

This is a very good example, of why I have such little respect left for the U.S. government…In the face of a bloody slaughter on our own soil, not just of U.S. citizens but of U.S. soldiers also [people the government immediately uses for it’s own bidding]…we are not even given the base human respect of forward honesty, from the U.S. government.

…That really just says it all, and puts things into perspective…doesn’t it?

…We are not respected as human beings [and certainly not as equals], by the U.S. government…Instead, we are insulted and treated as though we were ignorant fools.

Missing You…

Date: July 29, 2013

01) I miss ’em

“Who do you miss?”

Farlin…Gemini…Weyland…Goodguy…Boybuddy…DY…and too many others…

I realize that some people change their identities…and every rare now and then, I recognize a retold story…or an opinion, which has a certain someone’s style all over it…I’ve even done this myself, for a time.

…I think it is obvious, especially when you know someone intimately well…it is obvious, when they are truly gone…While I’d not say this of all named here, I would say it feels like their meaningful presence has left BoyChat…It’s the biggest shame, because these were the sorts of people, who understood what it took to make BoyChat human…They were from an era, where BoyChat could genuinely be classed as a support forum…where people genuinely cared about each other, and cared about what happened to each other…with sincere emotion, from a true bond…and a true sense of responsibility for each other…even real loyalty, which withstood the many tribulations we all have faced…These had a strong existence here on BoyChat, once.

For me…wandering through these boards has become a hollow experience…There is an insurmountable hole left here at BoyChat, in their absence…And I feel more like a lone relic, or a ghost without his companions. Returning here is never like it used to be…where you knew you were coming back to your second family…You knew a lot of people, would be just as glad to see you, as you were to see them.

…And they were real…They communicated and acted, like real people…in the best ways, that humans should treat each other…They and others like them…they are what is missing so badly, around here.

BoyChat feels un-welcoming…uncaring…selfish…petty…immature…lost to “all about the lulz” mentality [an attitude which screams contempt, and makes me personally sick to witness] …It feels like you can trust virtually nobody, to be straight, genuine, honorable and honest, anymore…Too many people concerned with their head games, and contests of who can trip up who…seemingly for personal sport…Whatever happened, to mutual respect around here?

Of course…I am encouraged by some newer participants, who feel to have passed as genuine…who are civil…who seem to have their mind, in a right sort of place…who care about us, in a wider perspective…who do not take the low road, or hit below the belt…

What it takes to rebuild what we had here…is people who may be much too few, and much too far between.

No…It was never perfect…And maybe, we were living in a somewhat sheltered fantasy world…But we had something here, which we could be genuinely proud of…something we were all intimately invested in…

…We could use a lot more people like those I’ve mentioned above, on BoyChat today…Individuals like them, are the only thing that has ever made this place truly great.

BoyChat is poorer, for their loss and absence.

…Part of me sometimes wonders, if they feel the same.

…I hope they do.

I will never again be complete, without my BoyChat family…In a few cases, these losses have been every bit as devastating, as experiencing the true death of a family member.

What I have found at BoyChat has given me extreme highs, and dealt me very deep lows…lows I find hard, to choose adequate words for.

But I will always love my BoyChat family, no matter what…I will continue to wait in vigil…

James Cantor Speaks at ATSA Convention…

Date: July 25, 2013

01) James Cantor Speaks at ATSA Convention

You know…”Virtuous Pedophiles” has been around for several years, and I’ve been reluctant to really give much comment regarding them…Mostly, this is because I did not dig deeper and lacked a clear understanding, on the finer points of their stances.

It is considerably troubling, what Howie brings to light here, in this post…I’ve probably listened to that interview before, and I recall at least one article regarding this very issue and James Cantor…I guess, I did not realize that James Cantor was a central founder in VP…and I thought the group was more…”grass roots”…

…Is VP a ploy for James Cantor to do a study?…a study for which he already has decided, what the “findings” will be?

I don’t know…I want to be entirely fair…And I recall James Cantor when he first came to BoyChat, and answered some things…I did feel a bit sorry for him, because of the hostility…His defense of his work, that given his sample of participants…his findings were simply how the numbers and statistics broke down…It made me pause and think…Yeah, I suppose it is not his fault, if that is legitimately how his group of test subjects turned out.

…Like many, I do have to think there is something very uncommon about his test subjects, however.

Maybe, at the same time our view is skewed…because we associate with each other…We at BoyChat found each other…And while I’d never dream of suggesting that every single participant at BoyChat is a model for BoyLovers, I do have to concede…maybe, the BoyLovers and Girl-Lovers with lower IQs have a strong tendency to stay offline?…Maybe, they are far less represented amongst the BoyChat and GirlChat face? Maybe, the lower IQ BoyLovers and Girl-Lovers have a natural tendency to get caught more?…to not think things through?…to have less impulse control?…I don’t know…But I do find it believable in theory anyway, that they may be an over represented group which gives the rest of us that stereotypical “pedophile” representation, even when it has never fit us as individuals.

A sad point…is that most people like us are not going to voluntarily compromise themselves, by participating in these kinds of studies [and organizations]…Most who do end up in such studies, are people who got caught and snared into the system. Lower IQ people, for whatever reasons, seem to be the ones getting caught and put on display for the public…Higher IQ people are either refraining from illegal activity, or finding better ways to cover their tracks…They are not at all likely, to compromise themselves by volunteering for such studies, or by joining such groups…Which I think, is why higher IQ people are lesser represented amongst the studies.

Of course, I’ve known some BoyLovers with high IQs…My own is a bit above average…I think most of the BoyLovers I’ve had relationships with, were at least of average IQ…I can only think of one on BoyChat, who had a decidedly low IQ.

Given the fluidity of human sexuality…and what I believe both history and research have shown, to be the wide ranging universality of “pedophilia”…I have an extremely hard time believing, that there are not at least equal numbers of “pedophiles” amongst all classes and social ranges…as well as IQ levels.

I’ve often thought, that we [Child-Lovers and Teen-Lovers] generally get tainted by the demeaning stereotypes [ie: don’t feel we can get an adult companion], because those sorts of things are more genuinely accurate…for the over represented low IQ groups. Crazy thing is…if those various things are correct for those groups…to my mind, this means that a large portion of said groups are “situational pedophiles” [a misnomer], and not even actual pedophiles.

…I’m off on a tangent, here…

“Virtuous Pedophiles”…

…For the record books…I support the genuine public expression of voice, by real pedophiles and real ephebophiles…even if I do not personally agree with what they are saying…I think it is a good development, getting a lot of us out there in the public arena making an impact on public dialogue.

Positive Atheism’s Big Scary List of Jerry Falwell Quotations…

Date: July 9, 2013

01) Scary Jerry Falwell Quotations

Jerry has been dead for a while now, but I am starting to sift through my massive collection of saved links and web pages…and I ran across this page.

These quotes are the sorts of things habitually repeated, by one of the most prominent modern day leaders of the organized christian movement…And millions of people looked up to this guy…They followed his lead.

These examples really put into sobering focus, exactly why the organized and political christian movement is so disturbing.

Jerry Falwell, to my mind, had a very loose grasp on sanity.

Child Porn vs Child Art…


Date: July 9, 2013

01) Child pornography vs Child art

“How does one define the difference between the two? Is there even much of a difference at all?” – Nooble

02) Repost Thread

03) Re: Child Porn vs Child Art – Amor Vincet Omnia

“Kiddie Porn” has been a serious cultural icon and focal point for several decades now. Future generations will want to understand that, and go to the source to understand the craziness of our culture. It’s very invisibility will taunt future art historians to search it out and study it and when they do so the best of it (like the John and Carlos series) will be elevated to a pedestal, studied and praised by a snobish few, and thus slowly make its way into a future culture.” – mvanhouten

04) Re: Child Porn vs Child Art – Amor Vincet Omnia

“Most people– even regular posters here– don’t see child pornography as potentially a colaborative effort between photographer and subject. On very rare occasions this isn’t the case, but in the vast majority of samples involving boys I’ve seen the colaboration is obvious: erections and grins are difficult to fake.

That boys can often be eager and active participants in the production of what the law defines as child pornography becomes clear when we see boys creating nude self-portraits for others using their cell phones, etc. with no direct adult involvement.” – mvanhouten

The original question is a good one…and a hard one to answer…Or, maybe not…

It is only hard to answer, if you are attempting to make any distinction in the first place.

Are child pornography and child art, explicitly different things?…I would suggest, no…There is no tangible line, to distinguish them from each other.

In fact, I [like various others] consider child pornography to be a form of art, as well as a simple documentation of human sexuality. Much child pornography – the expression and immense enjoyment of sexuality by children – is outright beautiful and wonderful, in my opinion. That type of child pornography is not awful, nor is it ugly…It is not an assault, nor does it solicit ill emotions in any rational mind…It is, very simply, a celebration of young human sexuality…It is capturing beautiful moments of sexual discovery…and a time in life, when sex is new and exciting.

How any rational or sane mind could be offended by this, is beyond me. It makes no practical sense, at all…The only way to make sense of such sentiment, is in knowing that most people speak of child pornography from a stance of complete ignorance, of the thing itself…Or, they have an extremely skewed and negatively biased viewpoint, from something in their personal past, which they project onto the entire topic of child pornography. They have to read things into child pornography, which commonly are simply not represented at all…Or in other words, they are imposing lies upon the content, itself.

As was brought to light in these threads…Yes, much of what is considered great art today [IE: Caravaggio]…was scandalous and caused a social uproar, back during the era when it was actually created…So, times do change…people change…ideas and views change…

There were a number of infamous artists, who depicted naked child bodies…and who were reviled for it, in their own time…Today, we cherish and celebrate that very exact same work…Yet, we cannot seem to afford the same respect, to modern day depictions.

How is that for a breakdown in logic?…It’s like, humans can’t see this issue in a tempered and measured light, unless an individual example is extremely old…It’s somehow lasted the test of time, and survived…Whomever made it, or was depicted in it, is long dead…Maybe that has something to do with this messy rational?…”The long dead, aren’t to be worried about”?…

The “child pornography” of today could become entirely embraced, by future generations…Like some, I would also expect this to happen eventually…along with an overwhelming social sense, that people of our era were outright insane, over their hostility and viewpoints on owning and viewing depictions of children [and teenagers] in sexual activities. I can hear them now, asking “what was the fuss about?”, and making assertions that we must have been living in the dark ages.

So, what distinguishes child pornography from child art?…

…In my opinion…not a damn thing, other than ignorance and social phobia.


…………………………………………… Perverted Justice…

Date: July 9, 2013

01) Perverted Justice [Page 1]

02) Perverted Justice [Page 2]

03) Perverted Justice [Page 3]

04) Perverted Justice [Page 4]

“The panic that followed Megan Kanka’s murder produced an alarm system that often fails to distinguish between dangerous predators like Timmendequas, who had a record of assaulting little girls, and nonviolent lawbreakers like Elliot, who posed no discernible threat to the general public.”

“Registration only rarely leads to murder, but it routinely ruins relationships, triggers ostracism and harassment, and impedes education and employment.”

“Some sex offenders, including nonviolent ones, will not live to see the underside of a bridge because they receive sentences that keep them behind bars until they die. Two decades of ever-more-punitive legislation have produced sentencing rules so bizarre and byzantine that the punishment for possessing images of sexually abused children can be more severe than the punishment for sexually abusing them.”

“The public branding of sex offenders through online registries is a reaction to horrible, highly publicized crimes, such as Megan Kanka’s murder, in which strangers abduct, rape, and kill children. But this sort of crime is exceedingly rare. Data from the Justice Department’s National Crime Victimization Survey indicate that more than 90 percent of sexually abused minors are assaulted by relatives or acquaintances—people they trust. (According to the same survey, strangers commit just one in four sexual assaults on adults. They commit only 14 percent of sexual assaults reported to police.) Furthermore, according to a 1997 Justice Department study, nearly nine out of 10 people arrested for sex offenses have no prior convictions for this category of crime, so they would not show up in sex offender registries.”

This article is such a great smorgasbord of highly quotable information, that I’m literally having to stop myself from lifting more quotes…At some point you have to stop, otherwise you are violating copyright law. There is a lot of information broached here, and this is a “must read” kind of article…The kind I’d love to have a full copy of, on my blog.

What is given here, is a soundly damning indictment, on modern day implementation of punitive sex prohibition laws…Its extremes…Its failures…It’s lack of touch with reality…

Demi Always Liked Em Young?…

Date: July 8, 2013

01) Demi Moore Passionately Kissing Boy (Full Video)

Here is a gem of an old video, from 1982…

…Demi Moore [at age 19] passionately kisses 15 year old Philip Tanzini, three times over…

At times, I am just floored by spectacles of hypocrisy…I mean, how exactly does this jive, with Demi and Ashtons reckless campaign against “sex abuse” [which grossly distorted facts and figures…They didn’t even care enough, to have correct information…], that caused such a stink a few years back?

I don’t personally see anything wrong with what happened in that video, mind you…

…I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around how people’s behaviors, are so often in extreme conflict with what they say…the messages they preach.

I know people evolve and change…but how were you once this open minded, even sampling “the unspeakable” in public…just to turn into a crusading witch hunter?

…Maybe Demi is so far past her prime, that she’s having a hard time getting the cute fifteen year old boys anymore?…Maybe, she’s spiteful?

We’re Not Doing Enough for BL Youth?…

Date: July 7, 2013

01) BoyChat Response

When the owl is hunting the squirrel…do we point out that the squirrel is no longer gathering nuts for the approaching winter, and hence “being very irresponsible”? …or do we acknowledge that the most pressing threat facing the squirrel, is being killed and eaten by the owl?…

Your original contention:

“You guys are no advocates for young BL’s”

An additional insight from you:

“Gays have made so much progress that they really don’t have many battles left to fight. That’s why they’re focusing on these ‘pet projects’ like the Boy Scouts, gay marriage, etc.”

I think you just rebuffed your own original contention, here…Or at the very least, you pointed out one of the fundamental reasons why BoyLovers don’t [openly] have substantive organizations and programs, to concretely support young BoyLovers.

It is this way for every minority, clawing it’s own way through intense persecution.

When you are fighting for your own literal survival and existence, tendencies will be to make your stands, on the fields most immediately facing/threatening you…This does not always leave much, for the creation of wide reaching organizations…or “pet projects”, as you called them.

At times when this “You’re not doing enough” accusation comes up…I am forced to respond, with at least a little bit of frustration…”What exactly do you expect?”…There is no road map for us to follow, given our particular set of circumstances…There are a lot of people fighting [successful or not] to destroy, any positive advances that we make. Many of us do what we do, while fighting a lot of obstacles which hold us back.

Fact is…we need less people complaining about how the movers around here “aren’t doing whatever”, to their own satisfaction…and more people who concern themselves, with recognizing causes in need of people to do something about them…preferably following through, with personally doing something about them.

You want us to have our own youth organizations and initiatives?…Wonderful!…But we need a much more solid foundation, before we can seriously even get to the point where such things are viable…Otherwise, what are we going to build these nice initiatives upon?

Please know, it is not that I deny much more needs to be done regarding “our own young”…This is amongst many things, in dire need of attention…I just think you are ignoring the real world, if you think we can “do it all”, and “right now”.